And that’s the thing.

IMO French coasted off of that Khaled type formula for a few years now but just going off how long someone been around people would give it to him lol

So do you think even if you don't have a dominant place right now in the music landscape.

If your music is still speaking for it self does that trump "in person" presence?

Idk if I worded that right lol

Penny was a cultural icon who got robbed of legendary career due to injuries. I know the culture loves him and his shoes, but he will always be a "what if" story. If there was any Rapper equivalent, it would be Big L.

A strong start is all you need (debut, sophomore) tbh. Look at a big pun, pac, em or biggie.

Do you think Wale is a Legend?

Well first off hardaway is not a legend lol

And barkley was a league dog for a team that made a championship. He atleast made it.

That's why the comparison is harden. He is super talented but can't string together a decent post season to save his life

I've listened to 10+ projects of his. Definitely not.

Chief Keef is a rap legend even though half his projects are mid
Yao Ming is an NBA legend even though he played like 8 years

impact is the key

This is key too

You can coast for the next ten years of your career if your first 2-4+mixtape era was strong enough lol YG and Tyga

But even for the guys you mentioned and a lot of the people who get it, they solidify it within those first 3 albums

50

So you think hits don't matter?

The fact that Harden averaged damn near 40 for a season on a top seeded team and didn't win MVP is prolly the biggest MVP snub and I like Giannis and the Bucks

50 prob the best example of

Big Start
Hits
Star Power
Quality

Longevity of Music (first few albums)
And his presence

So does 50 qualify?

Looks like it so far

Won't say they don't matter but they come secondary to great albums because pretty much every big act has them.

Florida and pitbull got hits but i wouldn't necessarily call them legends.

great memorable music

True.

So Albums > Hits

Basically

I agree but those two aren't legends, they are notable rappers for the 2010s tho

Eminem is the prime example of this because after Relapse he started coasting hard

I'd say this goes with Longevity

@Mmm_Hmm Do you count Jadakiss as a legend? He has legendary features and songs, but no classic albums.

Getting killed or put in jail in your prime is the fastest way

50 been a legend

Well he definitely has Longevity
Star Power (not crazy but it's there)
Quality of music

Albums and hits are the biggest yay or nay right now.

Tryna see where everyone is at with that

I was actually fine with that tbh. Bucks were a top seed and giannis was averaging close to 30 in like 30 minutes of play lop the one i wasn't fine with is the westbrook one

I consider him a legend but more of a B-Tier legend if that exists. Think of rappers like Busta Rhymes, T.I., Ludacris, Fabolous, etc.

Definitely seems like it

I think B tier or even C tier would almost fall into Region based tho

And then B or A tier would be Busta for example.

Very well known
Longevity
Star Power
Hits

S*** Bus a bus has it all tbh

But dam Actually nah I think Tiers would make things even harder right now

Once we get an accurate criteria for Overall Legend

Tiers can definitely come into play to help smooth everything else out