Ah ok I took the test

I'm 100% stoic anyway lol

Idk much about ethical philosophy so if I get anything wrong be free to correct me.

But moral relative I guess take it from the POV of the individual committing the acts the person judging might find slavery immoral and wrong but the person who is a slaveowner fill find it justified through various measures like the bible (the same bible that slaves found hope in). During the slave era, most people found slavery absolutely horrendous, there were debates over whats better an absolute kingdom that lets very little political freedom or a republic like the USA that has political freedom but allows the most authoritative measure someone can take ownership over another human.

Personally I find it hard to believe that something as conceptual and abstract as morals are able to have universal truths. I think societies can promote certain morals enough that people believe them to be objective, but those ideas had to have come from somewhere and for a reason, right? I would assume many moral statements come from humans coming together and wanting to form a functioning society that achieves a certain goal

gave me 100% Kant

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Thanos was speaking facts I ain’t gonna lie tbh

That’s one of the biggest questions in Marx’s philosophy actually! Why should one call for socialism - because it’s a historically necessary evolution of capitalism? Or because it’s morally right?

That's a lot of words to say "It was a different time"

Hasn't Marx fought against the "morally right" point, that was the whole thing the Utopian's stance, while Marx argued for we should do it cause capitalism would collapse on itself due to its inner mechanism whether if it was morally right or wrong.

Avg reading comprehension on this site rly kindergarten level lmao

My point was that various morality can exist in any period of time, like the whole debate about slavery that was going on, and that there is no set in stone morality that everyone agrees to.

I wasn't being serious. But he did kinda lose me with the slaveowner fill part

Idk, I just don't see how you can defend cutting another human being's foot off so they can't escape. Like there has to be some part of you that can't stomach s*** like that, no matter the laws in effect and societal standards at that time

He's not defending it... he's saying that people can have different morals depending on their socializing and upbringing. I mean we absolutely see this on smaller levels - fundamentalist Christians are homophobic because they have been socialized that way, for example. They don't see themselves as in the wrong because they are appealing to their own moral objective truth (divine law)

Saying that you don't believe in objective moral truths isn't an excuse for bad behavior. I still believe slavery is abhorrent and I'm sure Choking does too

He didn't defend him tho lmao, that's why i said that

I can’t answer a lot of these questions it’s too difficult for me

One of Marx’s interesting adoptions of Stirner tbh

I wonder why more Marxists don’t read him, considering his influence on Marx, despite him critiquing Stirner in The German Ideology

It’s a tension in Marx’s work. The early ‘humanist’ Marx walks a fine line, not saying that capitalism is ‘morally wrong’ but that it prevents humanity’s full flourishing. But that’s still an ’ought’ claim. The later Marx embraces - or is interpreted as embracing - the position you’re talking about.

I know he's not defending it I really just wanted to use this thread to say anyone who says "It was a different time" or anything like that when it comes to slavery is sus af

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Marx was a dweeb

To you and me, yeah of course, but slaveowners grew up with that being normal and taught from a young age that these people are their objects and they can do whatever they want with them and still reach heaven. So they're gonna internally justify their actions to themselves.

This is not to excuse their actions no one is above morality and can see everything from a "rational" point of view, im a subject to my own morality as they are to their own.

Their morality is absolutely horrendous from my POV but im also a brown bisexual so to them im an abomination of satan to some old white slave owner.

Yeah I see what you're saying and I agree it all depends on how you say s***. 9.9 times out of 10 those people saying "well it was a different time" aren't looking at it from this viewpoint

yeah most of the time when people say it was a different time it's used to justify those actions ignoring the countless people who actually did disagree with it like racism or slavery.

I havent read Stirner, ive read the German ideology however lol, can u go more in-depth in how Marx adopted it from Stirner does it gotta do with the whole "spook" thing