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  • Mar 10
    ICEMAN KIR

    haven't watched the vid yet but re-contextualizing whatever you're sampling is important imo

    that's why the trend of basically remaking already classic R&B songs by newer singers or nine vicious remaking existing rap album covers (especially the thug ones since he's basically in the same lane) comes off as copying homework and changing it up a little

    that's different than just generally flipping soul samples into rap beats or even doechii using the beat of somebody that i used to know in a rap context

    Facts and the biggest galaxy brain thing to do is to be in conversation with the original art you’re sampling, like on Frank’s Close To You some of the lyrics feel like sly references to the Carpenters’. That’s the type of s*** I love

  • Mar 10
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    it's entirely subjective how well it does or does not work, but tbh it's kind of the same as choosing what genre to work in too.

    if you go on a youtube tutorial and just 1 to 1 copy a jerk beat that's lowkey a form of sampling too imo and not very creative. even before there was AI we lowkey had a ton of ppl out here churning out slop, AI just made it more obvious how automated a lot of music is.

    music in general is a lineage and it's all references direct or indirect

    sampling well starts with choosing what to sample and imo that's almost where the most power lies, both obscure or once-popular stuff can work, it's about what in the past you think has a different or new energy when put into the present. the current moment constantly changes and so does what music we connect with, the best sampling explicates something personal from something else and gives it a new resonance imo

  • Mar 10
    beflygelt

    it's entirely subjective how well it does or does not work, but tbh it's kind of the same as choosing what genre to work in too.

    if you go on a youtube tutorial and just 1 to 1 copy a jerk beat that's lowkey a form of sampling too imo and not very creative. even before there was AI we lowkey had a ton of ppl out here churning out slop, AI just made it more obvious how automated a lot of music is.

    music in general is a lineage and it's all references direct or indirect

    sampling well starts with choosing what to sample and imo that's almost where the most power lies, both obscure or once-popular stuff can work, it's about what in the past you think has a different or new energy when put into the present. the current moment constantly changes and so does what music we connect with, the best sampling explicates something personal from something else and gives it a new resonance imo

    Well said that just following a tutorial to a T is basically sampling never thought about it that way but its facts

  • Mar 10
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    Jim Halpert

    Never admit out loud you use ai in any form to choose your music.

    Folks it’s just a dj that plays random music and past listens. S***s basically a radio station

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    SLYOOPER TIMBO

    Folks it’s just a dj that plays random music and past listens. S***s basically a radio station

    It’s literally not a DJ

  • Mar 10
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    Jim Halpert

    It’s literally not a DJ

    Whatever the hell it is it’s useful to me hearing some new s***

  • Mar 10
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    SLYOOPER TIMBO

    Whatever the hell it is it’s useful to me hearing some new s***

    Might I suggest talking to humans or looking for yourself

    Time well spent.

  • An example of a lazy artist reciting an iconic rap verse and trying to pass it off an “homage.” That’s why he got sued by the originators for this s***

  • anxiety by doechii is lazy

    don't cry by J Dilla is cool

  • Jim Halpert

    Might I suggest talking to humans or looking for yourself

    Time well spent.

    Eh I’m fine with how I’ve been doing

  • Mar 10
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    not a doechii hater but its crazy how much work went into the og compared to her version and mind you im not even a fan of the og like that but the sampling is insane

  • Mar 10
    CGI Dog

    not a doechii hater but its crazy how much work went into the og compared to her version and mind you im not even a fan of the og like that but the sampling is insane

    I give her a break cause it’s just some s*** she made in her bedroom in 2020 that went viral after the fact. But yea lol

  • Mar 10
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    If it sound good then it's cool, if it's ass then it's whack

  • Water Giver

    If it sound good then it's cool, if it's ass then it's whack

    pretty much

  • Jim Halpert

    It’s literally not a DJ

    But he talks too!!!

  • Mar 10
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    CGI Dog

    not a doechii hater but its crazy how much work went into the og compared to her version and mind you im not even a fan of the og like that but the sampling is insane

    Always found it funny how people would point to anxiety and say something along the lines of “this is why sampling is bad/lazy” but the gotye song is like 90% samples (which are obviously more creatively arranged but that’s besides the point)

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    nocomment

    Always found it funny how people would point to anxiety and say something along the lines of “this is why sampling is bad/lazy” but the gotye song is like 90% samples (which are obviously more creatively arranged but that’s besides the point)

    wait fr?

  • CutiePieHole

    wait fr?

    Yeah look it up on whosampled or yt or whatever. Tonnes of samples were used

  • nocomment

    Always found it funny how people would point to anxiety and say something along the lines of “this is why sampling is bad/lazy” but the gotye song is like 90% samples (which are obviously more creatively arranged but that’s besides the point)

    the sample breakdown is crazy lol

  • Mar 11
    CGI Dog

    not a doechii hater but its crazy how much work went into the og compared to her version and mind you im not even a fan of the og like that but the sampling is insane

    All she did was sing and rap over a loop of an instrumental.

    I think people hated how big it got and how much it was all over Tik Tok. There wasn’t anything wrong with what she did. She did what a rapper would do.

  • Mar 11
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    Its cool if i like the song and its lazy if i dont like it

  • Mar 11
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    not mutually exclusive really

    its cool when u have a gifted producer add/subtract/manipulating layers (reworking the context, speed, new instrumentation that builds upon whats there, etc). or when rappers cleverly interpolate certain words from said samples into their verses / hooks

    lazy is obviously when u just loop de loop n pull the beat~melody verbatim and essentially make the same song but worse, particularly if u dont manage to give it new flavor

    but sometimes both approaches can occur simultaneously yet still make for fun pastiche music that's a trending fad but also very much emblematic of its time

  • As long as it ain’t obvious nostalgia bait it’s cool

  • Q3D

    Its cool if i like the song and its lazy if i dont like it

  • Mar 11
    herald

    not mutually exclusive really

    its cool when u have a gifted producer add/subtract/manipulating layers (reworking the context, speed, new instrumentation that builds upon whats there, etc). or when rappers cleverly interpolate certain words from said samples into their verses / hooks

    lazy is obviously when u just loop de loop n pull the beat~melody verbatim and essentially make the same song but worse, particularly if u dont manage to give it new flavor

    but sometimes both approaches can occur simultaneously yet still make for fun pastiche music that's a trending fad but also very much emblematic of its time

    Yep exactly. In the video I tried to be as clear as possible that I don't think it's a value judgment on how good the song is. Of course the creative and meaningful samples/references are going to hit harder though