right yes, black, working class ppl voting for biden over bernie has nothing to do with the fact that they were likely less informed than me or u when it came to bernie's actual platform.

left wing policy (not US democrat but actual real left wing policy) is for the working class, and those who are systematically oppressed. It's mostly pushed by ppl w college educations, etc. but that's bc they are more exposed to those concepts. A lot of americans have no idea what socialism really even means, and it's not bc they're stupid, they just don't ever really learn about it (unlike most college students).

Just because a lot of proponents of democratic socialism aren't working class doesn't mean it isn't a system designed for the working class. honestly, guys like biden (who are honestly just diet conservatives, in case u haven't noticed) are actually trying to take advantage of not so well off people. A lot of American clinton campaign biden 2020 type leftists are performance artists, buying into the same culture war bullshit republicans push. But i doubt thats what you were trying to say here.

also, what is that quote lmao. who do u think believes that? u can't seriously think that is the left's mission statement, right?

Both can be bad

"BOth SiDes BAd"

Yes.

If you have critical thinking and dont look at things in absolutes you will see that both sides have their failings.

If I ever thought that “my side” was 100% right all the time then I would check myself into a mental institution

ktt really a bunch of funky centrists and republicans yeesh

"Yeah let's only discuss the lowest denominator of #BoThSiDes which is they're both bad! "

I'm not just talking about democrats (not leftists btw) vs Republicans

Leftists aren't out here fraternizing with neo-nazis/white supremacists

I guess that doesn't bother you in particular though

Please educate us on the failings of the left you deem to be equal to that of stoking white supremacist's fire

Inb4 antifa talk

niggas think leftists using the most powerful tool there is in modern society (social media) to get their message across is doing nothing and act like the US government didnt keep track of ferguson protestors online and be using bots to scrub up their image lmaoooz. CIA brainwashing so powerful

Why are you so hostile?

Get a grip dude, people dont talk like this in real life.

My problems come from the broken promises of the left and the whole rotating villain schtick

The DNC conspired against Bernie going as far to suggest questioning his faith and leaking debate questions to Hillary in 2016. When it was discovered, Debbie Wasserman Schultz was rewarded with a position on Hillary’s staff

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak?wprov=sfti1

And I take exception with promises of Single payer healthcare from people like Lieberman, only for them to turn around and renege when they finally have the votes to make headway on it.

salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34

Stop defending politicians that in all likelihood dont care about you. Or if you’re gonna defend them at least get paid for it

Also We’ve had 8 years of a democratic president before trump who at any time could have rescheduled marijuana as not a Schedule 1 d*** and that would have slowed down one of the most destructive legal debacles we’ve had in this country

Or could have walked backs Reagan’s decision to give the FBI concurrent jurisdiction with the DEA, basically allowing them unfettered ability to harass political opponents and community leaders on trumped up d*** charges

No “side” is on your side

I stated above that democrats aren't leftists... And that right wing media convinced people to vote against their interests

• leftists we're the first to tell y'all that politicians are corrupt

My entire point is one side uses racism/bigotry/ignorance to hinder progress ; the other one doesn't.

I'm not defending any politicians lmao

I see we’ve transitioned into the “no true scotsman” phase of coping.

Frank is neoliberalism personified

Not one of your favorite artists is “anti-consumerism”

They literally depend on your consumerism for a living. Don’t be f***ing stupid.

Democrats are objectively not leftists lol that’s not a no true Scotsman fallacy it’s just a fact

You were co-signing some bs about leftists and never mentioned "both sides" until I responded by calling out right winger media's appeal to white supremacy

Now you're saving face with "all politicians are corrupt" as if that has been questioned at any point in this entire thread

Lol

So that doesn’t address my point:

If democrats champion the cause of the disenfranchised as opposed to using racism then why haven’t they addressed the most pressing issues?

Obama/Biden could at any point reschedule marijuana.

They could remove the FBI’s concurrent jurisdiction with the dea.

Keep it a buck,both parties are racist. One just leverages black people and tosses us aside until the next election.

Shout out Joe “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black” Biden 🤣

Why are you acting like I like Joe Biden or the democrats lol where in my post did I say anything about supporting those pieces of s***

I’m willing to agree that they are neoliberal racists then

Yes exactly. So they’re not leftists.

Now that that’s out of the way

We can agree both parties are racist yeah?

Two sides of the same coin

"All politicians are corrupt"

"But also democrats aren't adressing the pressing issues because they're racist as well not because of corruption and corporations/lobbyists being politicians first priority so let's stop adressing the racism/bigotry the right enables which has been documented by historians because they're both racist "

Who said anything about stop addressing

You said only one side use racism

I say they both so. We need a third party (and a fourth)

Love when you skip to the last page of a music thread and dudes are now talking about Joe Biden

Yes I have literally said nothing to the contrary lol