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3. Wild how you just admitted your fine with killing babies

Yup. Perfectly fine with it. The baby could not survive without the mother so the mother should have the final say on if it lives or dies.

You feel the same about extremely mentally ill people?

What do you mean? Like if you have proof that the child is going to be mentally ill before it's born? Or after the person is born?

I mean people who are adults who cannot function without somebody else taking care of them

No, I don't feel the same because that person has already been born.

How does OP keep doing it

I'm pro life but I ain't gonna tell people how to live their lives but do enjoy burning up in hell

Yeah but they depend on others for survival and by your logic are "parasites" so what would be the problem of euthanizing them?

No, they are not by my logic "parasites".

Babies in the womb literally get nutrients from the mother, biologically, and depend on the mother to survive.

These are not the same situations.

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That’s it.

If left to fend for themselves both babies and extremely mentally ill people would die. Babies still depend on their mother for nutrients until they stop needing to breastfeed.

These are not the same situations. There are a whole host of people that are not, as you put, extremely mentally ill and could die if left to fend for themselves.

My delineator here is biologically speaking - the baby cannot live in the womb without feeding off of the mother.

So are you fine with abortions for any time of the pregnancy? Also what about literal babies who need to breastfeed? They still need the nutrients of their mother.

No way you just called a baby a parasite

De-attach from this situation emotionally and tell me how a baby can survive without living off of the nutrients of the mother?

Am I personally fine with if somebody wanted to get an abortion like 8 months into a pregnancy? I'm not sure, I would have to think about it and look at the situation.

But, it isn't up to me. It's up to the woman. And regardless of my personal feelings, this "parasite" justification I have found is a solid enough base to stand on that even if I wouldn't want a late term abortion.

Babies who need to breast feed have already been born, so I would afford them the same care that I would afford other living (read: born, so I don't get into a semantic argument about when a baby is "alive" in the womb) persons. In the event that the birth mother has an inability to provide breast milk, you can acquire breast milk from other mothers.

I have a daughter now, but my wife had a miscarriage fairly early on the previous time we tried. I've seen fetuses die and I've seen them come to term.

That miscarriage, no matter how early on it was, was extremely difficult. We set a lot of hopes on that baby and I couldn't cope well with it. So I somewhat understand the grief of an abortion. It's a terrible thing. I say that as someone who is pro choice.

Because here's the thing: my wife was able to have another child. And when she got pregnant again, all I thought about was her health and looking after her. I wanted the child to come to term, of course, but it was about her. And when it comes down to a mother and a bundle of cells, the mother comes first.

I love my daughter with all my heart, she's a bright light in my life. But whatever she was in the first trimester is not what she is now. I wasn't emotionally connected to that seed of a person, I was only concerned about what my wife was about to go through in the following 9 months because of it. Eventually, the heartbeat is there and you make that connection, but the baby killer label is an unrealistic judgment of a person choosing how to proceed early on.

I really hate that science normalises this kind of rhetoric I'm going to be honest, you're talking about a living being. The far-left never cease to amaze me in their ability to find loopholes that allow them to justify the careless destruction of life and moral values

So you didn't answer my question.

So babies who are born premature are cool but same aged babies who are in the womb are fvcked?

Yes, according to what I have said my stance is.

Yeah because the science is on your side, and clearly that's all that matters to you

To save me typing it all out this summarises it pretty effectively:

"Although just because the preborn directly depend temporarily on the mother’s body does not mean they are not valuable and worthy of protection. People outside the womb also depend on others for survival: the elderly, handicapped, those with special needs, newborns, and children. We all rely on someone and our dependence on others in no way strips us of our value and dignity as human beings."

This quote does not contradict my stance, as addressed previously in the thread.