Aug 3, 2020·editedSounds pretty archaic if you ask me. I mean, we all agree that streaming is king now; it’s the main form of music consumption and people who hold onto the notion that sales is more relevant are stuck in the past...right? So why do we buy into the idea that “x amount of streams = y amount of sales”, thus, perpetuating the idea that sales is the most important form of consumption and streams are merely in service of sales
Plus, there’s no real way to prove that someone hitting play on a song is equal to them going to a store (digitally or physically) and buying that song, no matter how many times they hit play on that song or how many people hit play on that song - these are two completely different experiences with different intent.
So not only does separating streams from sales make sense cause they’re different, but it ends the old notion that sales are more important than streams, allowing “x number of streams first week” being the standard instead of “x amount of sales first week”.
sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020·1 replyagreed. sales are irrelevant in 2020. give me pure streaming numbers that’s it.
- OPAug 3, 2020sabadabadoo
agreed. sales are irrelevant in 2020. give me pure streaming numbers that’s it.
Aug 3, 2020·2 repliesI still don’t even know what a stream is actually worth
- sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020·edited·1 replyMaga Law
I still don’t even know what a stream is actually worth
how much a dollar cost?
Aug 3, 2020Maga LawI still don’t even know what a stream is actually worth
a percentage of one cent.
- Aug 3, 2020·1 replysabadabadoo
how much a dollar cost?
Why does 1500 streams equal a album sale?
Who came up with this?
- Aug 3, 2020·4 replies
sales is just a metric nowadays. slowly its being phased out–but sales has been used forever. difficult to quantify a threshold for success/popularity with streams alone.
imagine hearing a project did "10,000,000 streams first week." is that a lot or a little? what constitutes a huge debut?
I completely agree that sales are antiquated though, need to be eliminated, but we should look at sales and streams simultaneously for the time being. E.g. "700,000 sales first week/170,000,000 total streams first week"
- sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020Maga Law
Why does 1500 streams equal a album sale?
Who came up with this?
it’s something like how much money they make off as revenue or something
- Aug 3, 2020streetziswatchin
sales is just a metric nowadays. slowly its being phased out–but sales has been used forever. difficult to quantify a threshold for success/popularity with streams alone.
imagine hearing a project did "10,000,000 streams first week." is that a lot or a little? what constitutes a huge debut?
I completely agree that sales are antiquated though, need to be eliminated, but we should look at sales and streams simultaneously for the time being. E.g. "700,000 sales first week/170,000,000 total streams first week"
S*** is dumb
We know who’s popping and who’s not
Aug 3, 2020·2 repliesSo you're saying billboard should report it as "X artist had 100 million streams and 30,000 sales" instead of converting streams to equivalent units?
- Aug 3, 2020
Sales/charts dont matter post 2016.
- sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020·1 replystreetziswatchin
sales is just a metric nowadays. slowly its being phased out–but sales has been used forever. difficult to quantify a threshold for success/popularity with streams alone.
imagine hearing a project did "10,000,000 streams first week." is that a lot or a little? what constitutes a huge debut?
I completely agree that sales are antiquated though, need to be eliminated, but we should look at sales and streams simultaneously for the time being. E.g. "700,000 sales first week/170,000,000 total streams first week"
you only say “is that a lot or a little?” bc you’re not used to seeing it in that format though.
Aug 3, 2020streetziswatchinsales is just a metric nowadays. slowly its being phased out–but sales has been used forever. difficult to quantify a threshold for success/popularity with streams alone.
imagine hearing a project did "10,000,000 streams first week." is that a lot or a little? what constitutes a huge debut?
I completely agree that sales are antiquated though, need to be eliminated, but we should look at sales and streams simultaneously for the time being. E.g. "700,000 sales first week/170,000,000 total streams first week"
I guess you would gauge it by the most popular artist. Like if drake or Adele did x amount of streams that’s the metric you measure how successful a project is.
- sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020Shabazz999
So you're saying billboard should report it as "X artist had 100 million streams and 30,000 sales" instead of converting streams to equivalent units?
yes bc they’re not really equivalent from any standpoint except how much money the label makes from it
- Aug 3, 2020
The finesse gets embarrassingly obvious once Taylor Swift and Adele drop albums
- OPAug 3, 2020·1 replystreetziswatchin
sales is just a metric nowadays. slowly its being phased out–but sales has been used forever. difficult to quantify a threshold for success/popularity with streams alone.
imagine hearing a project did "10,000,000 streams first week." is that a lot or a little? what constitutes a huge debut?
I completely agree that sales are antiquated though, need to be eliminated, but we should look at sales and streams simultaneously for the time being. E.g. "700,000 sales first week/170,000,000 total streams first week"
500k copies and 1m copies first week are “quantified” number milestones so why can’t 500m streams and 1bil streams first week be just as valid?
- Aug 3, 2020sabadabadoo
you only say “is that a lot or a little?” bc you’re not used to seeing it in that format though.
I agree–which is why its best to have sources cite both for now, until the industry/population is used to seeing streams
- OPAug 3, 2020·1 replyShabazz999
So you're saying billboard should report it as "X artist had 100 million streams and 30,000 sales" instead of converting streams to equivalent units?
Yeah
- Aug 3, 2020·2 repliesBRAVE
500k copies and 1m copies first week are “quantified” number milestones so why can’t 500m streams and 1bil streams first week be just as valid?
again, those metrics have been used for literally 100+ years. not saying its right, but shifting a metric for success for the entire recorded music industry cant just be done in a day/week lol
- sabadabadoo 🧔🏻Aug 3, 2020streetziswatchin
again, those metrics have been used for literally 100+ years. not saying its right, but shifting a metric for success for the entire recorded music industry cant just be done in a day/week lol
it’s literally not 100+ years though bc those numbers weren’t counted before the 60s
- OPAug 3, 2020streetziswatchin
again, those metrics have been used for literally 100+ years. not saying its right, but shifting a metric for success for the entire recorded music industry cant just be done in a day/week lol
Ofc I’m just saying they should be separated in general
Aug 3, 2020·2 repliesWhy should we care? I mean like musicians always call themselves artists and want to be apart of the art world and turn around and parade about sales and such. I just disregard it myself
- OPAug 3, 2020·1 replyAphrodite
Why should we care? I mean like musicians always call themselves artists and want to be apart of the art world and turn around and parade about sales and such. I just disregard it myself
It’s still a business for artists tbf
Aug 3, 2020AphroditeWhy should we care? I mean like musicians always call themselves artists and want to be apart of the art world and turn around and parade about sales and such. I just disregard it myself
Movies and books do this too though