Aren't you just describing losers and misogynists? How does this relate to men in general?

I don't think it does, I also thought about guys who get very offended by the saying "men are trash" and always answer with a "not all men", "but you need a man" blablabla, while I don't use the saying myself I understand what it means, more than criticizing men themselves it serves more as a critique of the systemic role of men, one that opresses all people, imo at least

And if u don't relate to what a man is expected to be by society and don't want to be included in "men are trash" that's good for everyone, especially yourself

People are being manipulated into thinking that hypocrisies among individuals or groups completely devalues their opinions. For example, a lot of misogynists feel attacked when they are rightfully told to stop objectifying women so they look for isolated incidents where women objectify men and use it as proof that the whole thing is a sham. Dumb men who feel like they should be able to objectify women but can’t rationalise why then latch on to this to justify their own behaviour.

My advice is just to surround yourself with people that arent like that. Your mental energy is too precious to try and change them. You have to surround yourself by good people.

Think about it do you think Nobel prize winners are spending their energy on useless ppl.

What I think is that to an extent these ideas are so deeply ingrained in a lot of men that it's not being actively loser or misogynist anymore, like it's something kind of a second nature in a way where it's like a defensive reflex, I've noticed this when talking with friends of mine and a cousin of mine too, when I would bring up the same things I bring up in OP they suddenly become all upset and try to deflect and defend theirselves, it's interesting but also kinda confusing

Well I don't know, you kinda have to go on the field to confront ideas opposite to yours, it's stimulating and it helps me consolidating my views and opinions, and who knows sometimes it actually might work and make people think about it in a different way

I mean you're generalising men, why wouldn't they feel a way about it? I felt a way about this thread

u dont have to look further than the men on this website and even in this thread to realize how widespread this issue is

hilarious that some would still do that 'dont generalize' s*** when the issue is so big lol

so just the word "most" before "men" in the title would make u less hurt ? lol

You felt a way about this thread? How and why? Tell me

And I know it's a generalization but as I said, this is something I've noticed in a lot of men, I'm not the only one who noticed, a lot of women I know feel it too... And the final goal of this thread is not to attack men btw, I made it clear that I want to understand and help

Yeah basically

Is that better?

Alright I mean do your thing

if u dont check your friends on this behavior you're complicit aswell btw

so you just wanted to complain about the title and not talk at all?

Not exactly

this is exactly what op is talking about lmaooo why can’t u just stfu and listen

You gotta love that typical way of internet communication where everytime somebody issues a complaint somebody else gotta distract it by saying everybody else got problems too. Like yeah we got that but whats that gotta do with the point?

It's kinda sad that we have suxh a wonderful tool like the internet and we use it in the dumbest way possible

They chakras are not aligned basiclly

I think many men (what a great song... irrelevant tho) don’t like the “special treatment” and love women get. Men lost to women at birth (iykyk), men don’t get help like women do, men are supposed to know it all, men are supposed to be “strong” and not emotional, etc.

OK so first off, most of this isn't true and isn't significant, like ok women get doors held for them or s*** like that but how is that actually a privilege? Women still get paid less than men in most country now that's f***ed up.
And secondly, the last part of what you said is what I'm talking about, men are trapped in this traditional role of being a strong anchor for women, when in reality it's way more complicated and nuanced than this and men don't have to be this way

so much conflicting information when comes down to what means to be a good man

these days i think it's became more accepted to dress more feminine, dye your hair cyan, wear nail polish, listen to girly artists etc

but when comes to behaviours its basically either

A) Ways a man shouldn't act, which at this point covers the whole span of emotions (the whole alpha/chad mentality)
B) Lofty lukewarm examples like "honesty" which are anything but easy to apply to reality (basically positive traits which sound great on paper but in reality are very blurred)

We can all agree "outgoing" is a positive trait. And that most people would benefit from being more of it.

But every time I try being more outgoing, I have a sense of back of my brain that I'm crossing the same line as the hundreds of men I've seen online that harassed people. For me I am extra careful how I treat women since I'm bigger guy and can easily overpower them physically so i am extremely careful with everything i do with a female sexuality cause of it.

Men have such a hard time finding good male role models where their is so many men what not to do its not surprising men end being s*** people to women