In retrospect Graduation was kinda trash. TLOP much better I agree.

I think we say it started after TLOP. TLOP is his last good album

I only see hate for it on the social medias tbh

Go outside and ask someone if he liked TLOP. I guarantee people will say yes. It's one of his most accessible album

tlop deserves to be on the pantheon of great Ye albums no one else could make that s***

Pablo has some very good HIGHS on the album, which is why some people love it. to me, TLOP was the first time he really let outsider thoughts creep in and affect his creative process. he had a SOLID 10 song tracklist. Then he released it to Twitter, and everyone cried that it was too short and they waited so long since Yeezus, so 10 songs was a disappointment. And he 100% read comments and heard feedback and he changed the album from there. Some of the additions he made were just ridiculous/fillers (e.g. Low Lights, Facts, etc.), Silver Surfer was just him responding to people that didn't like Waves as the title.... some of the new tracks are definitely nice, and I would have missed them, but part of me will always wish he stuck to his original intentions and gave the album to us how he intended to!

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lyrical content took a nose. Sounded like he put less passion and substance into the album.

Grad is only held in such high regard because it was the last of the dropout bear albums and its old

Nmpila? Real friends? Album had a little bit of everything, top tier verses included

theres like 3-4 songs on there of substance out of like 17 lmao that's not a lot bro

All of the songs have substance. Those are just the lyrical ones. Every single song has substance.

TLOP is obviously when he started second guessing himself that’s why the album is not cohesive at all

and no it’s not an album broken up into different chapters or any other lie people tell themselves

It had good songs yes but overall it was a janky album

-post made by a 15 year old

The OG Pablo wasn't that great

The final version of Pablo that came out has aged pretty well over time. If Kanye had retired after Pablo, I would've totally been ok with that. It's an album that has elements from all his previous work. Like a full circle type of thing.

right im sure all the songs hes using such avant garde wordplay . Dawg cut the s*** out the album, as far as lyrical content, is s***.

substance =/= wordplay. the opposite actually

Kanye's creative decline 100% begins with TLOP. He doesn't sound like himself on these records. He's barely on some tracks, and even when he sounds great you can tell he's not confident. The most confident track is Saint Pablo and that was added months later. You can tell he had reflected on many things bothering him during the TLOP recording sessions by this point. It's still an incredible album with a great message, but it is not Yeezus, MBDTF, 808s, Grad, LR or CD

His first and only album with absolutely nothing new to say or express.

And although I disagree with you, it can still be his greatest album despite it being uninspired. But you hit it on the nail it was definitely uninspired. Or maybe it was inspired by too many things at once to give it a sense of conciseness.

TLOP is underrated as f***. the musical moments on that album was amazing

no fall off tlop was a beautiful album