Apr 2·3 replies
hadjiyea i think with cole if they werent there for the mixtape era, the hype and early albums they might have a hard time understanding why people love him so much
and going back to the mixtapes now, while they do hold up, doesnt really have the context of what rap was like in 09-10 lol
Yea it’s just wild to me sometimes, like Drake and Cole were literally 106 & Park darlings. Who Dat was a video premier and so were almost all of Drake’s singles at the time and the rest of Cole’s. That “Let Nas Down” s*** became so overplayed on the internet people forget how big he was from the very first album. I think Kendrick just had the better recipe of hits on his first album and the mini pop run the year after which I think created this mindset that Cole was never there to begin with as time moved on.
Apr 2·1 reply!https://youtu.be/zieKJyHJV5Q?si=nOiwoAijojqz8UG5!https://youtu.be/FTQzLappnwM?si=IocZ691SyUEoc2BT
BIG early
youre not wrong, but jay, dre, and waynes cosigns have more power than goodie mob or even ye
Kanye cosigned people but still always put them behind himself in a way. I do think you're right tho in the sense that travis wouldnt be as big as he is without the kanye cosign
Apr 2·1 replyBIG earlyThey rather go to war with me than admit they are their own worst enemy 😂
I could never sell ya’ll out to sell my latest work
Never do you bad out the blue but I’m down to make it worse 🥳You boys ain’t no business men.
nigga really his top 2 and he ain't 2
bout to send vibe to hack ur account and change it to BIG PAPI- Apr 2PAPI NIGGA DAVE
nigga really his top 2 and he ain't 2
bout to send vibe to hack ur account and change it to BIG PAPI
Apr 2Mr Carterbig factor is they were all cosigned by greats.
Cole had Jay
Kendrick had Dre
Drake had Waynefuture and travis are hot but neither are lyrical to the extent of the big 3.
Yep and if you were around when they all started they just took off differently from the others and established large fanbases so the big three started being thrown around
- Apr 2·1 replyValentine
Yea it’s just wild to me sometimes, like Drake and Cole were literally 106 & Park darlings. Who Dat was a video premier and so were almost all of Drake’s singles at the time and the rest of Cole’s. That “Let Nas Down” s*** became so overplayed on the internet people forget how big he was from the very first album. I think Kendrick just had the better recipe of hits on his first album and the mini pop run the year after which I think created this mindset that Cole was never there to begin with as time moved on.
sidleine story a classic
nobody can tell me differentborn sinner too
Apr 2
Bobby_96If Travis and Future were more lyrical, they'd be in the convo too tbh.
Travis strongest year was 2018/2020 to me. He was undeniable in terms of commercial success and critical acclaim at that time
Apr 2
Cole World
- Apr 2Valentine
Yea it’s just wild to me sometimes, like Drake and Cole were literally 106 & Park darlings. Who Dat was a video premier and so were almost all of Drake’s singles at the time and the rest of Cole’s. That “Let Nas Down” s*** became so overplayed on the internet people forget how big he was from the very first album. I think Kendrick just had the better recipe of hits on his first album and the mini pop run the year after which I think created this mindset that Cole was never there to begin with as time moved on.
Cole definitely cemented himself before Kendrick it’s just GKMC took s*** to another level but even Kendrick said it on the heart series “If J Cole running you think I can take his place” he as being dead serious too lol
Apr 2French Montana
NAV
G-EazyThe actual Big 3
Apr 2They’re the 3 most popular traditional, backpacky rappers
- Apr 2Mr Carter
youre not wrong, but jay, dre, and waynes cosigns have more power than goodie mob or even ye
Kanye cosigned people but still always put them behind himself in a way. I do think you're right tho in the sense that travis wouldnt be as big as he is without the kanye cosign
not only that but those videos i linked showed that they were mentored directly by Dungeon Family and Ye respectively
Future came up in 2011, two years after the initial big 3
Trav came up in 2013, four years after initial big 3they would have to be in the big 5 convo overall if anything
- Apr 2·1 replyPAPI NIGGA DAVE
sidleine story a classic
nobody can tell me differentborn sinner too
Can’t believe I finally agree with you on something
- Apr 2·1 replyValentine
Can’t believe I finally agree with you on something
finally
really
Apr 2·1 replyThe truth is that you would have had to been around in 2010-2011 to understand
- Apr 2Valentine
Yea it’s just wild to me sometimes, like Drake and Cole were literally 106 & Park darlings. Who Dat was a video premier and so were almost all of Drake’s singles at the time and the rest of Cole’s. That “Let Nas Down” s*** became so overplayed on the internet people forget how big he was from the very first album. I think Kendrick just had the better recipe of hits on his first album and the mini pop run the year after which I think created this mindset that Cole was never there to begin with as time moved on.
yea and cole really made his "beloved" album at album 3 instead of album 2 which prob shifted his narrative outside of his core fanbase
Apr 2·1 reply
LeinYou get why someone would call em that in like the early 2010s to mid 2010s. But Future since 2015, Trav since 2018, Carti since idk like 2021 have all been bigger rappers IMO than Cole in my humble opinion.
it's not just about sales, it's about actually being a rapper and not just saying random BS over a trap beat
- Apr 2PAPI NIGGA DAVE
finally
really Jokes bruv
Apr 2
KeeI have never heard a verse ever from Future that impressed me tbh.
Travis shown signs with Owl Pharaoh imo even tho he's more focused on melodies and musical ideas.
I been listening to Travis since OP era too but that s*** long gone lol
These days I can barely find a Travis verse that isn’t more than non sequitur lines that vaguely relate to the hook.
I’m not saying Future is an “impressive” lyricist but when he gets to talking about some real s*** or wants to dedicate himself to speaking on his “experiences” it at least makes for interesting stories.
- Apr 2OVHoe Freight
The truth is that you would have had to been around in 2010-2011 to understand
s*** was a whole different era. i remember dying for anything fresh and different right around when so far gone and the warm up came out
ringtone era had hip hop on life support
- Apr 2·2 repliesRisky
it's not just about sales, it's about actually being a rapper and not just saying random BS over a trap beat
Even if we talking sales, Carti and Future barely sniff Cole’s numbers. ESPECIALLY Carti. Like this Future’s first time doing 251k and Cole has done that and much greater on every single album. Take away Travis’ merch finesse and he ain’t rated either lmfao
- Apr 2·1 reply
Also there's never going to be a "new big three." No one can replace any of them in the big three either. It's a specific nickname given to these specific artists at a specific time cause it was probably the most clear cut "new generation" rap's ever had. That's all it is.
- Apr 2Valentine
Even if we talking sales, Carti and Future barely sniff Cole’s numbers. ESPECIALLY Carti. Like this Future’s first time doing 251k and Cole has done that and much greater on every single album. Take away Travis’ merch finesse and he ain’t rated either lmfao
jus realized that lol you're right. Cole consistently hitting almost 300-400k while WLR barely hit 100k. even if carti drops rn with all his hype I predict 150k max.
And yeah Travis basically botting his numbers always gonna look weak next to big 3 getting big numbers off real streams and CD sales
- Apr 2OVHoe Freight
Also there's never going to be a "new big three." No one can replace any of them in the big three either. It's a specific nickname given to these specific artists at a specific time cause it was probably the most clear cut "new generation" rap's ever had. That's all it is.
yep. agree
Apr 2Cole World
https://www.kanyetothe.com/threads/3-gatsu-no-lion-is-anime-of-life.3858409/page-1894#post-265094706
All I could find with it
like a foot is in your mouth
