Early OF was problematic af but Tyler and earl get passes because their music grew beyond the shock s***.

Em doesnt get the same kinda pass tho.

I totally see your point of view but I wouldn't call it brave...

I don't see bravery in making millions of dollars of off slandering your fam whilst saying "fuck therapy, i don't need to sit down with one of them I tell my world my problems"
That's what made me pivot;
he acknowledged that he has issues stemming from childhood trauma and is adamant on sharing it in ways that are poisonous to his circle...

I believe anyone is entitled to share what they want about their past/present but the total disregard of others while doing so is what turns me off

History contains many artists (writers, philosophers, singers, dancers, playwrights, movie directors...)
who have shared their traumatic stories with tact and much more integrity,

We can acknowledge that eminem has the right to create art "his way" whilst discussing the ramifications (good or bad) of it...
idk I maintain that he was very misguided early on in his career in comparison to tupac (one of em's idols) who told the world his mom beat him, threw him out of the house, was on d**** and in prison...
he explained how much that affected him without throwing his mom under the bus for our entertainment...

I understand getting your frustrations out, we can't fault him for that but the way he did it though, I'm surprised no one asked him to seriously stop or get help...

Edit : excerpt from a eminem interview
Source, goo's thread
ktt2.com/how-did-eminem-make-the-eminem-show-87346/3

What do you think of psychotherapy? A lot of people out there think you need it.

I think it’s bullshit. I don’t need no shrink. My music is my shrink, you know? What are you gonna do, you gonna pay a guy to sit there and listen to your problems, and dump your heart out? Let the world do that. The world is my f***in’ therapist. I tell the world my problems, and that’s it.

What would have happened if you didn’t get the chance to tell the world your problems?

I would be either still workin’ at that restaurant, Gilbert’s Lodge, or I would have gone postal at Gilbert’s Lodge.

He isn’t a good artist anymore

I get it.

Im.just saying most artists on that level are very careful of the image they project and his honesty about the way he percieved things in his life was something new and different. And relatable in a way that transcended race.

Compared to who? Cause most of the late 90s early 00s artists suck now.

We can make a list of rappers that used to be around that era that have been done for so long. Even rappers that came after.

These guy just dropped two ok projects in a row which makes it 11 studio albums, 2 D12 albums, 1 EP with Royce and a soundtrack, and dude still relevant 20 years later.

he has some cool stuff but it's like his instrumentals got really generic and on top of that he's almost 50 rapping about edgy s*** that he hasn't grown out of and he throws disses to mumble rappers younger than half his age cause their not lyrical spiritual. his fanbase also doesn't help.

I mean he peaked like two decades ago lol. He was just so overrated for such a long time. He’s been a bad artist for much longer than he was good.

Edit: I'm not looking to argue either
But I'm not shifting all the blame on the mother neither.

Yes that household was dysfunctional but it doesn't justify violations like lying to your wife about performing a song in which you state you want to kill her...
It doesn't or beat in the heads of your millions of fans that your mom is the reason you're f***ed up

• That's why i maintain that he was veery misguided, someone should've stopped looking at him like the golden cash cow and drag him to a therapist (despite him thinking it was bullshit )

And yes I was aware that kim was a foster child to eminem's mom...

• iirc, she became a foster kid at 13 under eminem's mother, Kim's trauma can very well stem from before...as Kim had a sister who died of an overdose, that sister was never under eminem's mom's care, yet as f***ed up...

• Also eminem's mother was at some point in time deemed fit enough to take in another child...

• iirc Kim never said anything degrading about eminem's mother, never blamed her for her addiction struggles and never even jumped to the defense of her then husband when his mother was suing him for misrepresenting her... she never said something akin to " Marshall wouldn't lie about how we were living, it was hell there, his mother is...."

I hate how much this makes sense.

also not only that but it was much more clear that their older material was focused on fiction.

em often got uncomfortably real with his material

The Eminem Show is his best work & that had like zero shock-value tracks. Impeccable project imo

He is popular as he is not only from his talent but because his race . His race plays a big role in his popularity that’s why . I wouldn’t even say I dislike him but I’m not a fan . He is the greatest white rapper ever tho

Trash subject matter
Terrible production
Hate his flow & voice
His fanbase
Discography aged like milk

He had a nice flow and some decent bars on his early s***. But if you're listening to a whole Eminem album in 2020, you need to listen to better rappers. Stan, Without Me, Purple Pills, Dead Wrong & a few other bright spots though.

Cuz he racist and trash

He's just corny now

Literally this he hasn’t grown at all

He’s corny and should’ve retired after encore. Terrible voice, his flow sucks and if he’s talking about anything I can’t tell because there’s 50 syllables every 5 seconds

revisited his pre-encore discog the past week, seen a lot of threads about TES being his best, but man’s really peaked with 8 mile soundtrack. take the title track, lose yourself and rabbit run vs any 3 songs from his studio album discog and i’m never not picking 8 mile

till i collapse, stan and just don’t give a f*** is probably the only combo that you could put up against those 3 that i’d have to consider but i’d still go 8 mile

early of was problematic but all those niggas (tyler, earl, frank) were clean and for the most part had an asthetic that everybody could actually get behind

Em only had that for white niggas lol

That early OF stuff was way weirder then Em's early stuff. Em's s*** was dark but there was a strong narrative attached.
OF was truly shocking for shocks sake and way more graphic in nature.

true but they got popular because of that weird s***