i've been thinking about this too because to me there is a huge difference between trav's nothing raps and carti's nothing raps.
easy thing to attribute it to is that the appeal of carti's music is also just rougher around the edges and punkier etc. the entire musical presentation is different and so the threshold for lyrics is different.
WLR is a bunch of short hard ass rough songs, Utopia is lush and extremely dramatic, self-serious etc. the lyrics that each album's beats and overall aesthetic call for is much different.
but my other theory rn it's image/personality and basically everything outside of just the music
carti has a clear image, cult of personality, well defined persona, etc. whether it's even directly created by him or just built up by fans and the allure of his whole vibe, its strong. and when you bring all of that to a track where you're saying nothing, we attach way more too it and the persona fills in the gaps and becomes part of the listening experience. even if he's saying nothing, we think of the entire package and attach all of that stuff to it too.
trav obviously has a very cool image and more glossy brand but his personality is pretty dry and charismaless and so theres less to attach with and less to fill in the obvious emptiness
This is really the main reason why I like Whole Lotta Red wayyyy more than his previous albums
Carti is never really saying anything interesting, so his previous albums just didn’t do much for me. He’d always get overpowered by the production
But on WLR he actually does interesting s*** with his voice, and he brings energy to the album
I just can’t wrap my head around this argument
What is so interesting about Cartis vocals? Screeching, making random noises and doing goofy voices is that interesting?
People talk like Carti is one of the best vocalists oat or something. He’s not doing anything impressive. If a random no name did the stuff he did they would get clowned
i've been thinking about this too because to me there is a huge difference between trav's nothing raps and carti's nothing raps.
easy thing to attribute it to is that the appeal of carti's music is also just rougher around the edges and punkier etc. the entire musical presentation is different and so the threshold for lyrics is different.
WLR is a bunch of short hard ass rough songs, Utopia is lush and extremely dramatic, self-serious etc. the lyrics that each album's beats and overall aesthetic call for is much different.
but my other theory rn it's image/personality and basically everything outside of just the music
carti has a clear image, cult of personality, well defined persona, etc. whether it's even directly created by him or just built up by fans and the allure of his whole vibe, its strong. and when you bring all of that to a track where you're saying nothing, we attach way more too it and the persona fills in the gaps and becomes part of the listening experience. even if he's saying nothing, we think of the entire package and attach all of that stuff to it too.
trav obviously has a very cool image and more glossy brand but his personality is pretty dry and charismaless and so theres less to attach with and less to fill in the obvious emptiness
Explain how Travis is so popular and also regarded as one if not the best live performing artist in hip hop rn if he has no charisma or personality
carti leans into his superficiality he’ll repeat one cool line like 30 times if need be, he recognizes he’s perceived more as a vocalist than a rapper therefore his approach is stripped back, most crucially his voice is full of personality
I just can’t wrap my head around this argument
What is so interesting about Cartis vocals? Screeching, making random noises and doing goofy voices is that interesting?
People talk like Carti is one of the best vocalists oat or something. He’s not doing anything impressive. If a random no name did the stuff he did they would get clowned
At least I can tell it’s Carti on a track and lines and deliveries stick out to me even if he’s not really saying anything
Travis is not only not saying anything but I don’t remember a damn thing about what his flow or delivery was, it’s basically like he’s not even there
Explain how Travis is so popular and also regarded as one if not the best live performing artist in hip hop rn if he has no charisma or personality
Bro said “punkier” you really even wanna get into that with him?
This is really the main reason why I like Whole Lotta Red wayyyy more than his previous albums
Carti is never really saying anything interesting, so his previous albums just didn’t do much for me. He’d always get overpowered by the production
But on WLR he actually does interesting s*** with his voice, and he brings energy to the album
birds in the trap mcflight is solely him escaping every track because he gives up on every song. even way back starts so god and descends into bullshit goofy fake good music era beat switch garbaggio
Bro said “punkier” you really even wanna get into that with him?
whats wrong with that ??? by punkier i mean theres obviously less of a lyrical focus and expectation (as is typical in all types of punk music) and it's main qualities become the vibe and energy and delivery etc
Explain how Travis is so popular and also regarded as one if not the best live performing artist in hip hop rn if he has no charisma or personality
i mean i love travis and its obviously no surprise to anyone why he's huge
but the thread was asking why one rappers nothing lyrics are fine and another rappers nothing lyrics are scrutinised and i posted 2 reasons why i think so
Travis Scott has received backlash over the lack of lyrical substance across his career and especially recently with the release of UTOPIA
However, man like Carti has been releasing music about nothing (hide it in my sock ?? Molly my bean ????) for half a decade now but everyone seems to be okay with it
What makes Carti’s poor content acceptable ? Is it because he works with meme producers (Pierre Bourne and wake up filthy) ?
carti has innovated in the genre in ways travis hasn't
it isn’t necessarily just the lack of substance and lyrical content for Travis, it’s that he’s painfully generic and injects little to no personality into any of his vocal performances whatsoever
it’s even worse because some references came out and some of these verses he didn’t even write at all, and instead just copy and pasted lyrics from it with no changes whatsoever lmao
Carti in between his vocal pitch shifts, ad libs and changing inflections, it’s all very unique and standout and you can tell that it’s Carti just how he utilizes his voice alone, which makes up for his lack of lyrical content
i still think he gets a lot of grace on this site anyways though cause niggas like to d***ride
The bars make sense n more often than not travis’ don’t or they’re wayyy less straightforward. N boring?
Also I don’t even look at Carti as rapping
I feel like the only actual rap verse he has is with his old s***
The expectations for Carti are simply lower
Also I don’t even look at Carti as rapping
I feel like the only actual rap verse he has is with his old s***
The expectations for Carti are simply lower
carti is my fav ambient artist fr
That criticism of Utopia is so stupid lol. If lyrical substance is a requirement for you why even bother listening to Travis Scott. It’s 2023 you know what you’re getting from him
carti is my fav ambient artist fr
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