Just say y'all don't like what he became as a person and keep it moving man

No one said the album wasn't Hip Hop, it definitely wasn't conventional Hip Hop is what I'm saying. He wasn't trying to get dudes to bang his new album as loud as possible on their cars sound system like Waka was, he wanted to compete on the world stage by using Hip Hop, and it honestly worked.

Nah some of y’all need to get smacked expeditiously, “trying too hard to be perfect” like what tf u on u bum

Its not an album without skips for me, but the music/production/lyrics are so good that its a 6 star album for me.

Normally I only drop 6 stars on albums without skips but Dark Fantasy took rap into unseen height for me

Is Branda's Got A Baby or Keep Yo Head Up conventional hip hop? Conventional hip hip has to bump in the whip? What is this 2025 ass way of thinking man?

Waka ain't hip hop, hes trap. That's a subgenre. Like Crunk

Niggas f***ing whining in this thread 😭😭😭

Cant have a conflicting opinion these days? No response to the actual critiques jus “you buggin you need to get smacked” “pitchfork comments itt”

NIGGA I WAS THERE ON KTT1 AND USED TO LOVE THIS JOINT I LISTENED TO THE POWER LEAK I WAS THERE EVERY GOOD FRIDAY!

People grow and opinions change, everything looks different in retrospect

you niggas have to be stopped with this revisionist s***

That’s the Rosewood mentality, like affluence, like not cursing loud in public, pulling out chairs for your lady, opening up car doors, calling your grandmother, taking care of your kids. That’s where I’m at at 33 and it’s ill ’cause I’m at this really good emotional, great place in my life, and they’re always saying in hip-hop that you have to be in a dark place to make great hip-hop. I feel like I rap better than I’ve ever rapped at this point. I be writing raps and I don’t even realize how positive they are. They just sound like regular good negative raps.”

Wow… this thread again!

It would be really simple if y'all just admitted this is why you "changed opinions"

Frick off dude

i wonder what would happen if a younger artist like carti, baby, uzi, etc. put that much effort into an album like this

or if they could even do such a thing

if you was there why you letting that dude get off revisionist narratives

I mean yeah, at the time, 2Pac was considered conventional Hip Hop. In 2010, Wayne/Waka etc was considered conventional Hip Hop. Kanye was not conventional Hip Hop and didn't try to be, MBDTF didn't necessarily appeal to the conventional Hip Hop listener at the time, but it still had an audience. Same with Cudi and MOTM2

I dont have the ability to not “let” anyone have an opinion

nigga was wearing suits saying take care of your girl pushing Rosewood, but he’s pushing white rockstar music! god damn you niggas

MBDTF is arguably the least perfect album in his discography up until the point where he just flat out stopped caring about music. Horribly mixed, songs don’t end when they feel like they should, a mishmash of ideas from some of the featured artists who go off on their own tangent regardless of the song topic, it’s a mess. And it’s also the greatest album of all-time.

In about 5 years people will start saying Yeezus was trash and that Donda and TLOP are the true Kanye classics. Very predictable how KTT goes in these cycles

That's Kanyes vision, I'm giving you my opinion. Things change. I'm talking about the music/art, not the person, it's seperate.

How do you even get that from what he said? He’s talking about the sound and cultural influence how MBDTF’s “rockstar” style used to be groundbreaking but now feels dated because hip-hop absorbed it.

You turned that into some “he was wearing suits and acting white” thing, which isn’t even close to what he meant. The comparison doesn’t make sense one’s about production and evolution, the other’s about image and identity.

Bro wtf are you even talking about NOBODY WILL SAY THAT DONDA SLOP IS CLASSIC

Motherfucker was rocking tight leather pants in 2010. You got a pic of 50 rocking tight leather pants?

they’re already saying that donda is a classic 🤣🤣🤣💔

You people aren’t kidding anybody lmao

Unless this is sincere then damn I’m sorry