fashion killa

2y

why must it be from either the left or the right?

I personally believe the gunning at neoliberal ideology comes first, and the angle is taken up afterwards. Someone who is freshly disillusioned with the Democrat Party might end up a right winger, or maybe they'll end up a communist, I mean it just depends on which ideology gets ahold of them next.

rather late

2y

So what is the difference between the goal of a neonazi and kanye rn, tangible?

fashion killa

2y

why must it be from either the left or the right?

I personally believe the gunning at neoliberal ideology comes first, and the angle is taken up afterwards. Someone who is freshly disillusioned with the Democrat Party might end up a right winger, or maybe they'll end up a communist, I mean it just depends on which ideology gets ahold of them next.

fashion killa

2y

a neonazi wants to get rid of minorities and gain power for white people at the expense of everyone else.

Kanye wants you to ask questions like "what is taboo in today's society?", "why is this taboo?", and "who benefits from these taboos?"

necromancer

2y

because it makes a difference on what is said and what the goal is

the angle matters more than the goal, because they lead to inherently different outcomes

i'd advise you to read up on how fascists utilize anti-capitalism for their entryism into predominantely left-oriented spaces and things like Third Positionism, etc.

fashion killa

2y

a neonazi wants to get rid of minorities and gain power for white people at the expense of everyone else.

Kanye wants you to ask questions like "what is taboo in today's society?", "why is this taboo?", and "who benefits from these taboos?"

fashion killa

2y

no no I get that but why do you believe critique of neoliberalism must come from either the far-left or republicans?

I mean isn't the ideal critique of neoliberalism one that isn't based in some other ideology, but is purely anti-ideological?

necromancer

2y

When does he do the latter? He's not f***ing Nietzsche. He just promotes the former's talking points through a different microphone.

rami

2y

how is he doing that by using the same rhetoric as white supremacists and neo nazis?

necromancer

2y

you’re really dumb if you think all anti-systemic ideologies are somehow equivalent in their aims

TZ2

2y

Ye is mostly saying this s*** for attention.

He wants the smoke, its classic ye tbh. It's been getting more extreme over time and this is just the next level of it.

kusa

2y

breh idk who watched the kanye interviews but this man literally said he was comin from a place of jealousy lmaooo. this guy jus wishes that black people in america were united the same way jewish ppl are.. op is completely right his rhetoric and the way he went upon discussin this issue was the f***ed up part.

TZ2

2y

Bush
Taylor
Confederate flag
Bill Cosby
Slavery was a choice
Trump
...
White Lives Matter
DEFCON 3

Stephanie

2y

You could be arguing this passionately for guaranteed meals in school instead of whatever this bullshit is.

ThatBoy

2y

Good post

fashion killa

2y

Let's think abt the George Floyd s***. yea that's bullshit republican talking points, sad 2 see bruh parroting that. Again, maybe there's more interest in the taboo aspect of it than anything else, I mean we're "not supposed to" question the official story, even though there is room for doubt, as there is in every single story ever told.

It's not like asking questions would change the facts, I mean there was a toxicologist's a***ysis in the court case, the facts are all there. If you look into it, you will find that, yeah, Floyd was killed, and d*** overdose was not the cause of death. But regardless, we're told not to look into it, and any questioning of the situation is met with harsh backlash. To Kanye, that's a huge green light telling him to dig deeper, a sort of "there must be something they don't want me to know" feeling.

See, the thing about ideologies is that no ideology is perfect. Every single ideology compromises on accuracy in favor of consistency and simplicity, this is just the way it is. Kanye is picking up on the flaws of the rigid American neoliberal ideology behind the Democrat Party. For example, it is very important to the neoliberal that George Floyd was a genuine martyr. This is so integral to their framework that even considering that it might not be true scares the s*** out of them. They're right anyways, they've got nothing to lose by letting questions get asked, but they're too scared to realize this.

Ye's picking up on this fear, and he's seeing the ideological groupthink and conformity amongst Democrats. He's going, "Who's behind this ideology? What aren't they telling me?" These are fair questions to ask.
Unfortunately, there's a huge pitfall here that must be avoided. So many people reach this point, acknowledge the flawed ideological nature of the democrats, and then assume that whatever's opposing the democrats must be the way to go. Huge mistake. Republicans are just as ideological and just as big on groupthink and conformity, we just don't see their ideology in the media as much so it's a little harder to notice.

I'm torn here, because I see Ye trying to fight against ideology. I want to say "go for it!" and interpret the s*** he's doing and saying as nothing more than tools used to pick apart neoliberal ideology. Yes, it is weird that Ye can s*** on black people with no repercussions, but as soon as he mentions Jewish people its over. That's worth thinking about, there are definitely questions that should be asked about that which we "don't get to ask". That being said, in his wake, Ye is propping up another ideology, namely that of the American right wing, which is equally as, if not more, damaging than neoliberal ideology.

In short, I get where Ye's coming from. I will defend his intentions, but the execution is too sloppy and poorly thought out for me to get behind. I 100% get being frustrated and upset at Kanye, but I don't think anything beyond that is really warranted. I won't hate someone who has good intentions.

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