May 12, 2020·edited·1 reply
frank 2022But the president isn’t the person making these things happen.. it’s a train that’s been going this direction since the early 1900s, through the 70s, and now. Yes it’s worse than it’s ever been, but post hoc ergo proptor hoc. just because A and B is true does not mean A caused B.
Do you know about the Federal reserve? It’s a privately owned business with unnamed stakeholders that decides how much money we have in our economy.
A non-government agency owned by unknown people literally controls our economy. They create debt. Then they demand our taxes in order to pay off the debt they created. Then they claim the tax money is going towards services that help the taxpayers. It’s theft disguised as a naturally fluctuating economy.
The only recent candidate Ive heard demanding to end the fed was Ron Paul, but we didnt get to vote for him. I imagine we’ll never get to vote for a candidate that speaks out against the existence of the fed.
If you really don’t care what I do, feel free to stop responding. You just keep insulting my intelligence as if my beliefs are backed by nothing but pure ignorance.
I do care what you do, I hope you realise the magnitude of this election.
Near enough every modern, developed nation has a central banking system. We too in the UK have the Bank of England. And yes it too is by and large independent of the political sphere. This is by design to prevent it being subject to political manipulation. I believe your FCC and Election Commission operates under the same autonomy. And no the board is not unknown, its public knowledge.
The ultimate goal being to keep the economy stable, whether that is by controlling inflation, promoting employment, or handling interest rates. And of course, creating money.
If you look at the economic dips prior to its creation you'll see why the Federal Reserve exists.
In terms of taxes I believe that's handled by the US treasury. A separate entity. The Federal Reserve is more concerned with the output of money. Fiscal policy, social safety nets, etc are not anything to do with the Fed.
Central banking as a system has been subject to much criticism and much support over the years. Some legitimate, some not. This isn't a debate worthy of having here and nor does it hold any precedence in the November election.
And Ron Paul, who honestly is the stupidest debate point to bring up, was a candidate for a few years from my recollection. At least as an independent or liberal or whatever they call it.
Your beliefs as they stand are backed by nothing but pure ignorance. You are an anti-intellectualist posing as the opposite. You spout conspiracy theories and jaded philosophy. I suggest you research it more thoroughly.
May 12, 2020·1 replyDwindlingSunUnsurprised you're this stubborn and dense considering your reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low. Nothing I've said infers any awe for your government nor country.
You act like by not voting you are doing something to actively dismantle 'the system'. You are not. Nobody gives a toss about your lack of vote. Skip every election from now to the grave it still won't matter. If you cant see the wood from the trees in regards to the last 4 years thats on you. The evidence is there. This last 4 years has not seen a political landscape anywhere near normal. To not vote is abiding by that. Trust that it will only get worse with another 4 years.
And no, checks and balances have not always been a failure. American politics has never so activiely positioned itself as partisan. Its never so brazenly sought foreign election interference. Nor leveraged their power as a form of blackmail over an ally. Nor alienated near enough every key ally. Never gone to this length reversing key climate change mitigation steps. Never have charges been dropped against someone who pled guilty to lying to the FBI and vice president. Never has the idea of absolute immunity been used so widely. The steps to a dictatorship are right before you.
Vote out Trump. Vote out the GOP wherever you can. This is bigger than you and the frankly selfish and pathetic argument that by not voting you are not partaking in 'the system'. You're only not partaking if you emigrate. And even then, the trickle down effect of US policy on other nations is immense. Not to mention you could still be paying debts even from abroad. The privilege of voting that you have is a privilege. You think your system is as bad as it gets? You're lucky comapred to so many other nations. The idea of anything even bordering on free and fair elections is a pipe dream to them. Your current position is one of arrogance and anti-intellectualism. Hope you see whats unquestionably right by November. It is objective at this point.
i'd argue the damage done to the political landscape is permanent in a sense. don't matter who wins this next election, this political divisiveness that has grown in the past 20 years or so has reached its boiling point and will spill over into the next four.
May 12, 2020·1 replyit's not. Also fairly positive that a lot of people saying it is in here don't vote in local elections.
- May 12, 2020·1 replyhoopsplayer21
i'd argue the damage done to the political landscape is permanent in a sense. don't matter who wins this next election, this political divisiveness that has grown in the past 20 years or so has reached its boiling point and will spill over into the next four.
Well sure there's no doubt that divisiveness is at a near enough all time high. Does this mean we'll witness secession? I would be surprised.
What is guaranteed is that the risk of allowing Trump another 4 years is catastrophic.
May 12, 2020DwindlingSunAgain all that is irrelevant waffle. Its fundamentally wrong to not exericise your voting privilege this year because there is an objective evil in power.
what makes him objectively evil?
- May 12, 2020·1 replyDwindlingSun
Well sure there's no doubt that divisiveness is at a near enough all time high. Does this mean we'll witness secession? I would be surprised.
What is guaranteed is that the risk of allowing Trump another 4 years is catastrophic.
i think this is all personal belief and ideology though. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, but this issue of none voting is not based on facts and flasehoods, its based solely off voter opinion, and many people have a nihilistic belief as to what their vote means. it's a question of how much control we as people think we have. some people believe we have a great deal of control and that there is not a group of "higher ups" that control everything one way or another. others have a more optimistic view that we do control our own destiny and can tell those above us to fk off. which view point is correct idk
May 12, 2020·2 repliesDwindlingSunI do care what you do, I hope you realise the magnitude of this election.
Near enough every modern, developed nation has a central banking system. We too in the UK have the Bank of England. And yes it too is by and large independent of the political sphere. This is by design to prevent it being subject to political manipulation. I believe your FCC and Election Commission operates under the same autonomy. And no the board is not unknown, its public knowledge.
The ultimate goal being to keep the economy stable, whether that is by controlling inflation, promoting employment, or handling interest rates. And of course, creating money.
If you look at the economic dips prior to its creation you'll see why the Federal Reserve exists.
In terms of taxes I believe that's handled by the US treasury. A separate entity. The Federal Reserve is more concerned with the output of money. Fiscal policy, social safety nets, etc are not anything to do with the Fed.
Central banking as a system has been subject to much criticism and much support over the years. Some legitimate, some not. This isn't a debate worthy of having here and nor does it hold any precedence in the November election.
And Ron Paul, who honestly is the stupidest debate point to bring up, was a candidate for a few years from my recollection. At least as an independent or liberal or whatever they call it.
Your beliefs as they stand are backed by nothing but pure ignorance. You are an anti-intellectualist posing as the opposite. You spout conspiracy theories and jaded philosophy. I suggest you research it more thoroughly.
lol no the fcc is not independent of the political sphere.
- May 12, 2020MCN
it's not. Also fairly positive that a lot of people saying it is in here don't vote in local elections.
They don't. They probably can barely name their representatives without google.
- May 12, 2020·1 reply
KuntaKinte"Do you know about the Federal reserve? It's a privately owned business..."
-Someone who does not actually know or ever attempted to google how the Federal Reserve works but decided to post about it anyway
Also lol @ Ron Paul. This is the species of voter that posts online. Caping for Ron Paul lmao. Meme voters are a plague
Also scapegoating the Fed.Your beliefs are literally backed up by nothing but pure ignorance. You are the archetype of the stupid internet voter who votes based on conjecture that you haven't researched that affirms your world view.
You know 0 about the Federal Reserve but felt the need to spot a list of talking points you have yet to investigate on a public forum.
You just made 0 points. Just insults and empty statements.
Tell me what the fed is. Tell me how you think it works.
- May 12, 2020·1 replySynopsis
lol no the fcc is not independent of the political sphere.
When I say independent I do not mean sovereign.
- May 12, 2020·1 replyDwindlingSun
When I say independent I do not mean sovereign.
So go ahead and say what you mean
- May 12, 2020·2 repliesSynopsis
So go ahead and say what you mean
I'm not sure why you are nitpicking this. Of course they are still subject to statutory laws and budgets. Appointments still require approval. This is all common sense. Independence does not mean sovereignty. Decisions cannot be overturned unless by the courts.
- May 12, 2020hoopsplayer21
i think this is all personal belief and ideology though. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, but this issue of none voting is not based on facts and flasehoods, its based solely off voter opinion, and many people have a nihilistic belief as to what their vote means. it's a question of how much control we as people think we have. some people believe we have a great deal of control and that there is not a group of "higher ups" that control everything one way or another. others have a more optimistic view that we do control our own destiny and can tell those above us to fk off. which view point is correct idk
I'm somewhat confused on your argument. An ill informed voter base and the spread of anti-intellectualism is not a good thing.
- May 12, 2020DwindlingSun
I'm not sure why you are nitpicking this. Of course they are still subject to statutory laws and budgets. Appointments still require approval. This is all common sense. Independence does not mean sovereignty. Decisions cannot be overturned unless by the courts.
Because your post makes it seem like they aren't political actors
- May 12, 2020·editedfrank 2022
You just made 0 points. Just insults and empty statements.
Tell me what the fed is. Tell me how you think it works.
One quick google search should tell you that the Fed isn't a privately owned company. The board of governors are directly appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. They're independent but the people running that system are appointed by the Executive and approved by the Legislative branch.
I insulted you because you're entire claim was f***ing stupid. We know who runs the Federal Reserve.
Just say you believe in the Illuminati instead of some dumb s*** about the Federal Reserve stealing your tax money and having some ulterior motive as they lend money to banks at a 0 percent interest rate.
And Ron Paul is a libertarian. He doesn't like the Fed because it goes against his economic beliefs that the economy should just be a wild wild west with no government regulations
The fact that you believed any of his spheal shows you got f***ing played by Libertarian fear mongering to get you to dismantle a system you don't understand (Literally most people don't know what the FED even is)
May 12, 2020·1 reply
CactusJackSentYaWe literally got two corrupt white men sexual abusers to choose from, and they both part of the establishment and don't want to make real changes that help niggas on the bottom like Bernie did, but if you say "Nah im good" then you're the a******
Don't see the issue. If they didn't earn your support then they don't get your vote.
It's wrong to not vote because certian politicians rely on your frustration to enact policies that strip your rights in exchange for monetary compensation.
Don't want to vote between two rapists for president? That's fine. The presidents policies most likely will have little to no effect on your day to day life. One can make the arguement having a good leader as the president is important, but I don't really agree.
However, voting local is SUPER important. State senators, congressmen, governers, mayors, county executors, sheriffs and even s*** like treasurers all impact your day to day life. A lot of genuinely good people run for these positions to make your life better, then lose by 50 votes since some retired old dudes didn't want higher taxes.
If you don't want to participate in democracy at all, don't do it for yourself. Vote to help people who are incapable of the privilege you have (such as prisoners and immigrants).
May 12, 2020ArtyomIt's wrong to not vote because certian politicians rely on your frustration to enact policies that strip your rights in exchange for monetary compensation.
Don't want to vote between two rapists for president? That's fine. The presidents policies most likely will have little to no effect on your day to day life. One can make the arguement having a good leader as the president is important, but I don't really agree.
However, voting local is SUPER important. State senators, congressmen, governers, mayors, county executors, sheriffs and even s*** like treasurers all impact your day to day life. A lot of genuinely good people run for these positions to make your life better, then lose by 50 votes since some retired old dudes didn't want higher taxes.
If you don't want to participate in democracy at all, don't do it for yourself. Vote to help people who are incapable of the privilege you have (such as prisoners and immigrants).
dont think thats what this thread is about
- May 12, 2020·edited·1 replyDwindlingSun
I'm not sure why you are nitpicking this. Of course they are still subject to statutory laws and budgets. Appointments still require approval. This is all common sense. Independence does not mean sovereignty. Decisions cannot be overturned unless by the courts.
Synopsis nitpicks because he has nothing of value to say.
Synopsis will sit down all day justifying not voting for a healthcare plan that covers 97 percent of individuals in a country when the opposing candidate and incumbent president is literally dismantling the most recent healthcare reform bill out of spite. Knowing full well that these are the only feasible options unless some LARPer communist revolution occurs spearheaded by limp wristed socialist with slingshots for weapons
All while spamming "But the 3 percent", knowing full well with that useless piece of paper political science degree that you can just work on preexisting systems to later fully cover said 3 percent
Synopsis is either stupid or a grifter. Personally I think he's both
- May 12, 2020·1 replyKuntaKinte
Synopsis nitpicks because he has nothing of value to say.
Synopsis will sit down all day justifying not voting for a healthcare plan that covers 97 percent of individuals in a country when the opposing candidate and incumbent president is literally dismantling the most recent healthcare reform bill out of spite. Knowing full well that these are the only feasible options unless some LARPer communist revolution occurs spearheaded by limp wristed socialist with slingshots for weapons
All while spamming "But the 3 percent", knowing full well with that useless piece of paper political science degree that you can just work on preexisting systems to later fully cover said 3 percent
Synopsis is either stupid or a grifter. Personally I think he's both
No. I'm telling you this idea that biden supports universal coverage is a lie. As is this idea that reforming a broken system gets us anywhere closer to universal healthcare. There is nothing right now stopping Biden from supporting Medicare for all.
And last I heard Obamacare was supposed to get us to move towards uhc as well. How'd that work out
- May 12, 2020
Someone is salty tho. I'd be losing my mind too if I had to justify my support for and defend a sexual predator and a racist
- May 12, 2020·edited·1 replySynopsis
No. I'm telling you this idea that biden supports universal coverage is a lie. As is this idea that reforming a broken system gets us anywhere closer to universal healthcare. There is nothing right now stopping Biden from supporting Medicare for all.
And last I heard Obamacare was supposed to get us to move towards uhc as well. How'd that work out
M4A isn't the only universal healthcare system available.
This is why you're a grifter. What is this stupid binary you've conjured up in your head
Also why do you think I care if Joe Biden is a sexual predator or a rapist when the opposing candidate is Trump. Not that I even believe he is but?????
This is why I think you're stupid. You have such baby level logic and just sound like a virtue signaling clown. Am I supposed to be mad that I'm voting for Biden when AOC, Bernie, Warren, Yang, etc etc all endorse him?
I deadass have no moral dilemma voting for Biden vs the guy who is literally mentioned on Epstein legal files
You are such a clown. The fact that you're this stupid is insulting
- May 12, 2020·2 repliesKuntaKinte
M4A isn't the only universal healthcare system available.
This is why you're a grifter. What is this stupid binary you've conjured up in your head
Also why do you think I care if Joe Biden is a sexual predator or a rapist when the opposing candidate is Trump. Not that I even believe he is but?????
This is why I think you're stupid. You have such baby level logic and just sound like a virtue signaling clown. Am I supposed to be mad that I'm voting for Biden when AOC, Bernie, Warren, Yang, etc etc all endorse him?
I deadass have no moral dilemma voting for Biden vs the guy who is literally mentioned on Epstein legal files
You are such a clown. The fact that you're this stupid is insulting
Because m4a is the only universal healthcare proposal being discussed in america? But regardless, biden by his own admission doesn't support uhc or else his plan would cover 100% not 97%
And lmao. Voting for the least bad rapist? No thanks.
I don't know why you think endorsements matter. I'm not part of some cult that says I have to mindlessly follow what Bernie or AOC does.
- May 12, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Because m4a is the only universal healthcare proposal being discussed in america? But regardless, biden by his own admission doesn't support uhc or else his plan would cover 100% not 97%
And lmao. Voting for the least bad rapist? No thanks.
I don't know why you think endorsements matter. I'm not part of some cult that says I have to mindlessly follow what Bernie or AOC does.
Another weird binary
"If your plan doesn't support UHC now then you have no interest in supporting UHC"He's making a plan to get more people covered, it not enacting UHC doesn't mean he, himself doesn't support a UHC plan.
Only a f***ing moron would propose these stupid types of binary Yes/No systems.
He is working on a healthcare plan that expands upon the last (which was a plan he had worked on because he was a member of that administration) in order to get more people covered, inherently for the sake of getting more people coveredHe is defacto working toward a UHC system by expanding coverage
"Voting for the least bad rapists"
Yes, in fact I will when presented with Biden or Trump when any other path of action would result in a Trump win. Just like everyone else from Noam Chomsky to Bernie Sanders himself.
"Not a part of a cult"
No one said you are. You're just a stupid idiot who doesn't understand anything which is why you LARP about revolutions online and about turning Nike into Mondragon.
Also, if you were a part of a cult you would be a part of a commie LARPer cult if anything. You don't care about politics, you care about LARPing a moral high ground and being smug. 
May 12, 2020·1 replySynopsisBecause m4a is the only universal healthcare proposal being discussed in america? But regardless, biden by his own admission doesn't support uhc or else his plan would cover 100% not 97%
And lmao. Voting for the least bad rapist? No thanks.
I don't know why you think endorsements matter. I'm not part of some cult that says I have to mindlessly follow what Bernie or AOC does.
Is Biden actively working to roll back environmental regulations?
not to mention all the local elections, like sheriffs and DA's who are responsible for pressing charges when crazy racist s*** happens
sace 👍May 12, 2020Civic participation matters, but right now, people aren't rational enough due to whatever the masses will shame a candidate based on his/her past.