I think very recently people have started to turn against him but like 4 years ago they all would have probably loved him, jazz people used to try putting me on all the time

That doesn’t really change what I’m saying tho, he’s just an example but today jazz seems pretty dominated by those white educated types to me.

White lead singer. One Filipino dude and one Hispanic dude. Will I Am was the only black person in the group

People on KTT clowned on me for liking their comeback attempt album. It was A Tribe Called Quest-lite, I thought it was pretty good.

I got that Boom boom POW

i always thought they were a multicultural group.. which i thought was waaaaay cooler than just being a "black group"

That’s really interesting tbh. Can’t really argue that I’m not well versed when it comes to jazz, but I had always assumed that jazz had stayed a predominantly black art form even to this day. Pretty sure the average white dude could give a s*** about jazz, which is sad honestly.

You don’t consider Apl De Ap black?

speaking of tribe. this might be the last phife dawg verse

I thought he was Filipino. He made this Filipino anthem

This would make sense if...

• withney didn't get booed at the soul train music awards for being "too pop" (after this ensued a whole "whitey houston" campaign that crushed her confidence and prompted her to date rnb bad boy Bobby brown whom she met that same night iirc)

• If MJ didn't feel like he had to make black music again (went a more rnb route with invincible and preached how black culture birthed all of modern music but labels be extra s***ty towards black artists)

• If Lauryn hill didn't express her feelings of being successful being tied to selling music to white people (she expressed that she didn't feel more successful for selling records to white people since her music is made for her black people (the environment she grew up in, not really her fault they segregated urban communities isn't it?) but got labeled a racist by... White people

• If country music wasn't gatekeeping the genre with labels discouraging black artists from putting out a country records

Ie: k michelle was told she should stick to rnb and cried on air about wanting to make country music but her label preventing her to do so despite her love for/knowledge of the genre since she grew up in Memphis ( streets still waiting on that country record)

• if black artists didn't regularly get pushed out of pop categories (expect for a select few) ie: the weeknd this year...

When the highest on the totem pole of black artists have been subjected to this "stick to black music" thing it might be realer than you think,

I'd like to point out that the general public understands this dynamic and is quick to put a black artist in their place either by accepting that they crossed over successfully (when said artist fits the mainstream mold of that era à la Whitney Houston) or by ignoring/underating them when they don't (ie: beyonce isn't considered a pop artist by many but lady gaga is despite both using other less popular genres (rnb for bey and house for gaga, ) to peddle to the general public...

Tl:dr : your sentiment of "not making "black music"" would make sense in a post-racial world where the cultural exchange between different cultures would be almost equal.

A black girl from Memphis would have the same opportunities to become a country star (today, viewed as white music) as a white boy from Detroit would have to become rap superstar...

Doesn’t this go with what I’m saying though? Once a black artist gets huge success, they’re seen as less black because of it

He’s mixed, Filipina mom and black father.

Well they aren’t

i feel like i be seeing the exact opposite at my school

i see too many jazz and classical students praising that man and i really dont get it

William thinks Fergie was black?

Black Eyed Peas do have a new female lead singer who is a black woman.

I try man. Just pulling my weight you know

Do they?

He speaking facts about jazz n rock n country but tbh black eyed peas was too diverse in its heyday to be a black group

Lmao KTT borked like crazy with my s***

Jus checked, apl.de.AP is half black, but still not enough black in the group to be a black group

But why do they hate him?

J Rey Soul is her name. They added her and then made a whole like afrobeat, latin, reggaeton world music album. Got J Balvin, Shakira, Ozuna, and French Montana on it.

I haven't been listening to them just did a quick Google on what's been going on with them

They say his music is devoid of any real feeling. It's flashy and technical for the sake of being flashy and technical. I don't necessarily agree but that's just me.

Hmmm I think were looking at it from different perspectives (sorta like what came first , the chicken or the egg)

Correct me if I'm wrong:

you seem to think that the artist has a genuine expression that is labeled "less black" after encountering huge succes whilst I believe that the artist trades in a sound/image for another in order to go mainstream or remain on their label.

The Whitney example shows that she at one point felt bad for going pop and the reason people labeled her a sell-out for going pop is found in her music/image itself (the producers she worked with, the hair/clothes to the way that she talked) not the sales she racked up.

The black artist I'm talking about weren't considered sell-outs for selling alot of records they're considered sell-outs for the way they sold those records.

To your credit there are probably artists that get labeled sell-outs when they genuinely wanted to make the music they're making that got them in the successful position they're in (idk any of the top of my head right now)

if you believe that BEP is that group then... I disagree with you, they def were making hip hop tracks in the beginning of their career then sold out to be on interscope etc

I believe the initial singer (kim hill) wouldn't have left if they remained "they same" and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Ps: I truly think that artists that go out of their way to make "non-black" music don't get a fair chance either as most of the black community dgaf about them and their targeted demographic tends to pick the whiter version over them...

Ie: the black eminem's of this world like hopsin or even em precursors/ like masta ace, young zee, redman, canibus, esham (all mcs he is fragalanty"inspired by")