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  • Jan 22, 2022
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    GEOLINK

    It’s not. It’s a perspective piece from two of the guys that filmed him around for several years of it.

    Lame doc then

  • Jan 22, 2022
    Y0rn

    Lame doc then

    I rather have it then not.

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    they should've done a doc about ye first years career and marketed it as such

    because i think now the netflix audience is expecting a definitive doc about ye career lol

    and i can feel a lot of people will be disappointed because this doc isn't going to give that

  • Mmm Hmm 😆
    Jan 22, 2022
    CoqStar

    Hey radio, f*** you! Radio, f*** you! Y'all don't want to lose again. A lot of people here tonight felt like they lost. You know why? Because y’all been lied to. Google lied to you. Facebook lied to you. Radio lied to you. Radio, f*** you! I know it’s a lot of real niggas working at radio, real people, real programming directors with wives and kids that love music, that can’t play what they want to play because they’ve been paid to play that bullshit over and over and over. And when I say that bullshit, what I'm saying is we love Drake, Drake is great. He’s a great artist. But Frank Ocean is great, too. But you know who the greatest of all of us? Who do y’all think? Crowd shouts “Kanye” and other names Nope. Kid motherfucking Cudi. Radio, f*** you! Oh yeah, I’m on my Trump s*** tonight. Radio, f*** you. Yeah, I’m taking his lead. I’mma just say how I say, be ‘Ye, and win. I’mma take his lead. Radio, f*** you! Radio, f*** you! Wait a second. Eh, is it, “Radio, f*** you? That’s what you’re saying?” Exactly.
    Not f*** the people that work at radio because these is real people that gotta feed they kids and they’re not being allowed to play that real s*** because they think that in order to feed they kids they gotta play the same s*** over and over and over. I was raised by KMS 1, I was raised by Tribe Called Quest, I was raised by DMX. The last real nigga alive? Naw, nigga! We real niggas alive, we alive tonight, bruh! We alive tonight, bruh! Virgil Abloh is alive tonight, bro. A$AP Nast is alive tonight, bro. A$AP Bari is alive tonight, bro. Ian Connor is alive tonight, bro. A$AP Rocky alive tonight, bro. Aye, y’all love my show. When I say these names, y’all better scream for me. I don’t give a f*** if you know the names or not, go ahead, Google them. They will give you a little bit of factual information. They will give you that. Why did I name A$AP? Because that’s the future. That’s the niggas they got me and Cudi .... It’s life.
    We’ve got a hundred years out here, a hundred years on this planet, bro, and we can have a utopia. We can love each other. But the rules gotta be fair. Khaled and Drake and radio and Doc and Real 92.3 and everybody. Is it just me or did you hear that song so many times “you say you wanna play for free.” Aye, aye. You know what it is, though? Because aye, I love Drake. I love Khaled. But they set that song up, bro. And let me tell you something: MTV, f*** you! Once again, as always. I’m on my Trump s*** tonight. Let me tell you what it is, bruh. Aye, you know me. I went down seven years of my life of motherfuckers hating me for saying Beyoncé had the best video. Hey, baby, let’s rock and roll tonight. Y’all might be experiencing a lot of pop s***, but the vibes is back. The prodigal son, Kid Cudi, has returned. The vibes is back. I know it’s going to be a lot of conversations after tonight.

    Khaled, I know you got hitters from Miami. Please do not send them at my head. I just want to have a conversation about how we playing radio’s game. Khaled, you a real nigga. Khaled, you a real nigga. You got the keys. But as we learn all the politics that niggas was doing for years. Obama couldn’t make America great because he couldn’t be him to be who he was. Black men have been slaves. Obama wasn’t allowed to do this screams and still win. He had to be perfect. But being perfect don’t always change s***, bro. Being perfect don’t always change s***, bro.
    So, when I talk about MTV, let me explain something. I was hurt. Beyoncé, I was hurt because I wanted to present a video called “Fade” and I don’t expect MTV to help me. Mr. West, I don’t respect you. I will let you know that Beyoncé is winning the video tonight for “Formation” over “Hotline Bling” and “Famous.” They told me beforehand so I wouldn’t run on stage. Hey, bruh, y’all ain’t gotta f*** with me, but you know I got the vision and you know I’mma gonna keep it real with you. Beyoncé, I was hurt. I went down seven years on behalf of your—eh, nigga! Don’t ... no s*** while I'm talking. I am putting my career, my life, my public well-standing at risk when I talk to y’all like this. This is a moment in the ..., bro. The vibes is back. The vibes is back. Motherfuckers might feel a way about this tonight. Beyoncé, I was hurt because I heard that you said you wouldn’t perform unless you won Video of the Year over me and over “Hotline Bling.” In my opinion—now, don’t go trying to diss Beyoncé. She is great. Taylor Swift is great. We are all great people. We are all equal.
    But sometimes, we be playing the politics too much and forget who we are just to win. F*** winning. F*** looking cool. F*** looking cool. F*** being cool. F*** all that, bruh! I’ve been sitting here to give y’all my truth even at the risk of my own life. Even at the risk of my own success, my own career. I’ve been sitting here to give y’all the truth. Jay Z, call me, bruh. You still ain’t calling me. Jay Z, call me. Aye, bruh, I know you got killers. Please don’t send them at my head. Just call me. Talk to me like a man. I’m not trying to be the man. I just am a man, the same as anybody here. I ain’t above, below none of y’all. We all equal. We all equal. This is the vibes, bro. This is the future. This is the way of thinking to make America great again. Ha! You didn’t like that! Guess what? Y’all need the vibes. I was hurt. Feelings matter, bro. The way motherfuckers put money up so high, popularity, radio spins. Feelings matter, bro. Feelings matter, bro.

    It’s a new world, Hillary Clinton, it’s a new world. Feelings matter. Because guess what? Everybody in middle America felt a way and they showed you how they felt. Feelings matter, bro. It’s a new world. It’s a new world, Barack. It’s a new world, Jay Z. Hey, don’t send killers at my head, bro. This ain’t the Malcolm X movie. We growing from that moment. Let ‘Ye be ‘Ye. And wait a second. Do y’all agree with that? Let ‘Ye be ‘Ye. Wait a second. I ain’t hear enough screams on that. Let ‘Ye be ‘Ye.
    People I'm not saying this out of my own well-being because it wouldn’t be smart out of my own well-being to say things like this. Radio, I done talked to you a bunch of motherfucking times. Y’all motherfuckers is behind the times. Because guess what, the Saint Pablo tour is the most relevant s*** happening. The Saint Pablo tour is more relevant than radio and if y’all keep following old models, your ass is going to be Hillary Clinton. You might not like it, but they gotta hear it. I ain’t here to massage you with a fake truth, telling you that Hillary gon’ win over and over and over and then you wake up and you still can’t believe it! You know why? Because you was lied to by Google. You was lied to by Mark Zuckerberg.
    Mark Zuckerberg, you wanna call me now? Do I got the vision, Mark Zuckerberg? Was you wrong? When I said I was $53 million in debt and you didn’t call me, was you wrong? You ate dinner, you asked my friend Anthony Schiller to have dinner with me. I told you about Donda. You said you would help and you didn’t. Then you went to look for aliens. Me and Kid Cudi are aliens right here, bro. The vibes is back. Talking to DJ Take it all the way back to the beginning. Shia LaBeouf, Kid Cudi feels a way. Give him a call.

    Q-Tip, I love you, bro. Don’t tell me how to be me, though. I love you. The Tribe album is dope. I love you. Don’t tell me how to be me, though. I’ve been me. I am me. There’s a Richard Pryor interview that you can watch about people coming into power and not changing everything and just becoming a part of the power. That’s happened with musicians because they’re scared. I’m not scared. I’m here to change things. I am here to change things. And things won't change until people admit their own falsehoods. I got the visions, bro. That’s what I’ve been blessed with. My vision. I’m not always going to say things the perfect way, the right way. But I’m going to say how I feel. Right now, press get ready to write your passive-aggressive, LeBron James, racist comments. Season 4, racist comments. Get ready to have a field day, press. Get ready, get ready. Because the show’s over.

    This rant (breakthrough)
    Is equivalent to when the fire nation attacked.

    IYKYK

  • Mmm Hmm 😆
    Jan 22, 2022
    French

    they should've done a doc about ye first years career and marketed it as such

    because i think now the netflix audience is expecting a definitive doc about ye career lol

    and i can feel a lot of people will be disappointed because this doc isn't going to give that

    Fuk them niggas

  • Jan 22, 2022

  • Jan 22, 2022

    No yeezus footage

  • Jan 22, 2022
    Mmm Hmm

    What happened to it

    the guys who filmed it fell out of touch with kanye when donda died but then reconnected with him during the Pablo era

  • Jan 22, 2022

    My hype for this hit a halt when half his career is missing (arguably the best half too)

  • Jan 22, 2022

    Did ye sign any consent forms? Hope he gets this s*** pulled, it’s going to be a hit piece. You guys will see

  • Jan 22, 2022
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  • Jan 22, 2022
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    g6ntiana

    Watch when this documentary comes out and you’ll see how they edit it to paint ye in a negative light

    Also, remember in the OG thread when i said there is not footage from 2006-2016 and people thought I was lying? A lot of the footage was on a YouTube channel called Channel Zero I downloaded it all back in the day

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    ye is absolutely right in wanting to be in control of how his name and image is projected. Imagine a documentary being made on you and NOT wanting to make sure it told a factual narrative.

    People in this thread are crazy, I guarantee if a documentary was made on them everyone would want to have final approval

  • Jan 22, 2022
    Dostoevsky

    Watch when this documentary comes out and you’ll see how they edit it to paint ye in a negative light

    Also, remember in the OG thread when i said there is not footage from 2006-2016 and people thought I was lying? A lot of the footage was on a YouTube channel called Channel Zero I downloaded it all back in the day

    wait there was a load of footage out there of ye !?

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    Dostoevsky

    ye is absolutely right in wanting to be in control of how his name and image is projected. Imagine a documentary being made on you and NOT wanting to make sure it told a factual narrative.

    People in this thread are crazy, I guarantee if a documentary was made on them everyone would want to have final approval

    It's not our problem

    He even promoted the doc 3 months ago on his own ig. The doc is probably finished for months and it's his own fault for wanting the final approval 2-3 works before it's officially coming out lmaooo

    He shouldn't think that he can always get everything quickly days in advance just because he wants it. He should asked for the final approval 3 months ago already if he really cared about this in the first place anyway. Kanye is old enough to know this s*** isn't working like this in that industry. He can do that with his albums

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    Kanye needs to stop manipulating his own fanbase. Universal blocked nothing 4 months ago and it's also not Netflix fault now. It's annoying as f*** seriously

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    Ye is one of those celebrities for whom media coverage has been very frustrating, and not in a positive/negative sense. Between the armchair psychiatric diagnosis, or the dramatization of his eccentric character, or the ethical framing of his political stance, it often feels holier-than-thou and condescending. So I understand Ye's point. And yes, it is possible that he overcorrects and ruins the external POV that is meant to be relatively limited and potentially flawed.

    But even if the director is good on that front, if they're missing footage from 2007 to 2016 .. Why even bother? 07 to 16? This is the biggest and most marketed coverage about an artist of Ye's stature and they're missing THAT much? Imagine being a fan and wanting to tell people about your favorite artist, but not being able to show them anything from his most prolific decade. This is insane. They can advertise it as an early-era documentary, or they can redo/keep it.

  • Jan 22, 2022
    g6ntiana

    It's not our problem

    He even promoted the doc 3 months ago on his own ig. The doc is probably finished for months and it's his own fault for wanting the final approval 2-3 works before it's officially coming out lmaooo

    He shouldn't think that he can always get everything quickly days in advance just because he wants it. He should asked for the final approval 3 months ago already if he really cared about this in the first place anyway. Kanye is old enough to know this s*** isn't working like this in that industry. He can do that with his albums

    Very valid point. Ye thinks that he can have that much control over anything attached to his name, as though it were his own project. He needs to wake up. Not everything needs to go his way. If he cares about how he's represented, he can go sue TMZ and Page Six or sth.

    And my issue with the decade's worth of missing footage ... How did he approve that? That's a massive oversight. I hate that it's coming out that way, but I guess since he cosigned on it a while ago, it's his fault. So annoying.

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    Ye is one of those celebrities for whom media coverage has been very frustrating, and not in a positive/negative sense. Between the armchair psychiatric diagnosis, or the dramatization of his eccentric character, or the ethical framing of his political stance, it often feels holier-than-thou and condescending. So I understand Ye's point. And yes, it is possible that he overcorrects and ruins the external POV that is meant to be relatively limited and potentially flawed.

    But even if the director is good on that front, if they're missing footage from 2007 to 2016 .. Why even bother? 07 to 16? This is the biggest and most marketed coverage about an artist of Ye's stature and they're missing THAT much? Imagine being a fan and wanting to tell people about your favorite artist, but not being able to show them anything from his most prolific decade. This is insane. They can advertise it as an early-era documentary, or they can redo/keep it.

    It’s basically an early career doc that picks up later in life to see how far he actually went….they have always maintained this point

    It was the initial press releases that gave fans the wrong impression.

    This is not trying to walk through his career. This film is from their perspective and they weren’t around for the years that are missing so they don’t have footage

  • Jan 22, 2022
    g6ntiana

    Kanye needs to stop manipulating his own fanbase. Universal blocked nothing 4 months ago and it's also not Netflix fault now. It's annoying as f*** seriously

    Yeah after a while I realized this was just like Donda release drama too

    His own manager had literally announced when the album was coming out and then Kanye claims it’s the labels fault and was forced lmao. Made DaBabys manager look bad for a bit too even tho he did nothing wrong

    Wish he could find a different strategy

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    YANDHI

    It’s basically an early career doc that picks up later in life to see how far he actually went….they have always maintained this point

    It was the initial press releases that gave fans the wrong impression.

    This is not trying to walk through his career. This film is from their perspective and they weren’t around for the years that are missing so they don’t have footage

    Is that the case? Because that Variety article someone shared mentions 2 decades minus 07-16 .. It also says that "His run-ins with Taylor Swift, Donald Trump and even a few glimpses of Kim Kardashian and Beyoncé are included too.". So Trump is in there, but not 808's to TLOP? That is unacceptable, literally just ammo for the Twitter warriors to get their anti-Ye viral tweets out.

    There are millions of fans looking forward to this, there are media vultures and haters looking forward to use this to undermine him, and surely a few neutral boomers trying to see what the Ye phenomenon is about. I'd hate to have a project this big fail to convey what we all know of the man. But as movinq said, if he gave an early approval, that's on his dumb ass.

  • Jan 22, 2022
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    RoboCop

    Is that the case? Because that Variety article someone shared mentions 2 decades minus 07-16 .. It also says that "His run-ins with Taylor Swift, Donald Trump and even a few glimpses of Kim Kardashian and Beyoncé are included too.". So Trump is in there, but not 808's to TLOP? That is unacceptable, literally just ammo for the Twitter warriors to get their anti-Ye viral tweets out.

    There are millions of fans looking forward to this, there are media vultures and haters looking forward to use this to undermine him, and surely a few neutral boomers trying to see what the Ye phenomenon is about. I'd hate to have a project this big fail to convey what we all know of the man. But as movinq said, if he gave an early approval, that's on his dumb ass.

    In that same article Coodie says

    “I was always arguing with people that this dude is about to win Grammys,” Coodie says. “That was the main goal of the doc was to see if he achieved that. But we always say, you can’t let your imagination get in the way of God’s manifestation. I’ve seen the Grammys, but God had something way more in mind for Kanye — he had running for president in mind for Kanye.”

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    “I kept hearing about Kanye and kept running into him, but I finally saw him perform and I was like, ‘This dude is a superstar!’” Coodie says. “Watching the movie ‘Hoop Dreams’ is really what gave me the idea for this film. I wanted to do a ‘Hoop Dreams’ on Kanye and see how far he’d go.”

    Hoop Dreams is the best possible comparison for what this might be (also one of the GOAT sports docs)….but instead of just following the early days grind they had the privilege of meeting the subject again years later in life while he’s still doing stuff like hosting a fashion show/album premier at MSG and running for president

    Coodie and Chike are great guys and great filmmakers. They’re not out to get him they just painted what was accurate to their angle. It’s not their job to worry about the press

  • Jan 22, 2022
    GEOLINK

    They’re not clout chasers

    They stopped filming him after Donda’s death up until the Pablo era when they got back together.

    apparently some of the recent documenting was done through the news cuz they wasnt there filming. since they dont have enough recent footage n they were definitely not close to w ye anymore they souldve made the documentary only ab the first years, unless theyre trying to push a certain narrative using news footage

  • Jan 22, 2022
    YANDHI

    In that same article Coodie says

    “I was always arguing with people that this dude is about to win Grammys,” Coodie says. “That was the main goal of the doc was to see if he achieved that. But we always say, you can’t let your imagination get in the way of God’s manifestation. I’ve seen the Grammys, but God had something way more in mind for Kanye — he had running for president in mind for Kanye.”

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    “I kept hearing about Kanye and kept running into him, but I finally saw him perform and I was like, ‘This dude is a superstar!’” Coodie says. “Watching the movie ‘Hoop Dreams’ is really what gave me the idea for this film. I wanted to do a ‘Hoop Dreams’ on Kanye and see how far he’d go.”

    Hoop Dreams is the best possible comparison for what this might be (also one of the GOAT sports docs)….but instead of just following the early days grind they had the privilege of meeting the subject again years later in life while he’s still doing stuff like hosting a fashion show/album premier at MSG and running for president

    Coodie and Chike are great guys and great filmmakers. They’re not out to get him they just painted what was accurate to their angle. It’s not their job to worry about the press

    Never seen Hoop Dreams. I see what you mean though.

    I don't want biased positive coverage or anything. I just feel like this is such a major project, and I feel bad that many non-fans will see stuff about the controversies that's not counterbalanced by some of the best work Ye has done. You could do "Prince: the early years" because even non-fans know the kind of legacy Prince has. But we're a fanbase that still has to tell people on the internet that Ye is actually good at what he does, not just commercially successful ... I don't know if this is the ideal format. If this is a doc for the fans, I'm fine with whatever. But if this is for everyone, I'd prefer a full arc.

    Maybe I'm looking at this like I'm Ye's agent when I should just enjoy it as a fan. But I do care about narrative and I want Ye to be able to have the legacy he deserves despite media's best efforts.

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