Apr 6, 2021·2 replies
BadKarmaI think they saw a older man and thought it would be a easy lick
fair enough
to me the issue isnt "how much did racism play a role in this" bc thats hard to falsify in this situation
the broader issue is that you cant even say hes asian without it turning into some "why do you have to make it about race" bs, as if the narrative that asian people are weaker/non-masculine/etc doesnt play an obvious role in the spike in hate crimes
Bernie X 🙊Apr 6, 2021F*** them lil niggas they could throw the book at em for all I care
But also yeah the victim is Asian, but we all know deep down in our hearts that the media never refers to brown people as Asian, especially not in the United States so we should stop pretending they do itt !
Apr 6, 2021frenchpress· editedthis is part of why context matters for phrases. someone racist would use that idea in the context of all offenses committed upon a minority because they're trying to diminish the possibility that people will interpret the event in a race-related way. they don't want those details (as in, they want the headline to read "man kills another man in carjacking incident") because the lack of information allows them to more convincingly say to themselves and others "there's no racism towards blacks! that's just a man who killed another man."
this is different. ppl aren't saying the race reference should be removed entirely (and no one itt is saying "you can't point out that asian people were victims", imo). they're saying that "Asian" is a technically-right-but-not-really descriptor for the guy -- not in terms of literalness, but in terms of how america in general sees "Asian" as. for ex, of course there are people who regularly think of indian people as asian, but a lot more don't, and that's bc a lot more people in america aren't familiar with india or asia than are. they see asian as chinese/japanese/korean
and news people know this. but news people are also marketers and they know that anti-asian sentiment is a hot topic rn. so what these ppl are arguing is that this twitter guy is stretching the descriptor "Asian" past the public idea of "Asian" and is using its more technical description to justify itself, even though the victim doesn't look like what most people reading the article would initially expect him to. so why would the guy write a headline that makes it harder for people to understand the situation? because anti-Asian is a hot topic rn
a whole mini essay bottompaged?????????? ktt2?????????
Apr 6, 2021·1 replyLock them b****es up and throwaway the key
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyfrenchpress
this is part of why context matters for phrases. someone racist would use that idea in the context of all offenses committed upon a minority because they're trying to diminish the possibility that people will interpret the event in a race-related way. they don't want those details (as in, they want the headline to read "man kills another man in carjacking incident") because the lack of information allows them to more convincingly say to themselves and others "there's no racism towards blacks! that's just a man who killed another man."
this is different. ppl aren't saying the race reference should be removed entirely (and no one itt is saying "you can't point out that asian people were victims", imo). they're saying that "Asian" is a technically-right-but-not-really descriptor for the guy -- not in terms of literalness, but in terms of how america in general sees "Asian" as. for ex, of course there are people who regularly think of indian people as asian, but a lot more don't, and that's bc a lot more people in america aren't familiar with india or asia than are. they see asian as chinese/japanese/korean
and news people know this. but news people are also marketers and they know that anti-asian sentiment is a hot topic rn. so what these ppl are arguing is that this twitter guy is stretching the descriptor "Asian" past the public idea of "Asian" and is using its more technical description to justify itself, even though the victim doesn't look like what most people reading the article would initially expect him to. so why would the guy write a headline that makes it harder for people to understand the situation? because anti-Asian is a hot topic rn
my confusion is this
1. why is it being assumed that the anti-asian sentiment has not also affected south asians? there have literally been spikes in hate crimes against that demographic recently as well, for a number of reasons
2. would it be okay if the post said "indian man" or something to that effect? is this purely just an issue of semantics?
and to me a hate crime against an indian person WOULD be relevant to the broader issue of racism against asian people, for a couple reasons. not only what I stated above but also because there are historical interdependencies between asian demographics and their experiences in America that many people are just ignorant about
- Apr 6, 2021·2 repliesTkken
fair enough
to me the issue isnt "how much did racism play a role in this" bc thats hard to falsify in this situation
the broader issue is that you cant even say hes asian without it turning into some "why do you have to make it about race" bs, as if the narrative that asian people are weaker/non-masculine/etc doesnt play an obvious role in the spike in hate crimes
That weaker/Non-Masculine stereotype is portrayed towards East Asians not South Asians my dude...
- Apr 6, 2021·2 repliesBadKarma
That weaker/Non-Masculine stereotype is portrayed towards East Asians not South Asians my dude...
okay yeah so youre just ignorant lol
thats cool but I'm not going to respect this whole "why does their race matter" schtick if you aren't approaching the issue w/ a minimum level of knowledge and empathy
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyTkken
okay yeah so youre just ignorant lol
thats cool but I'm not going to respect this whole "why does their race matter" schtick if you aren't approaching the issue w/ a minimum level of knowledge and empathy
Are you stupid or just willingly obtuse? Racist People think of Pakistanis as crazy terrorists not weak feminine men
Apr 6, 2021GoldmenaceLock them b****es up and throwaway the key
Apr 6, 2021·1 replyPlea deal?!?!?
They deserve decades in prison
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyBadKarma
Are you stupid or just willingly obtuse? Racist People think of Pakistanis as crazy terrorists not weak feminine men
1. south asian =/= just pakistanis
2. its more complicated than that and I am not obligated to or interested in proving the existence of a racist narrative to you.
you dont know more about asian experiences in america than we do
im out of here lol I'm not doing this tonight
- Apr 6, 2021·2 repliesTkken
1. south asian =/= just pakistanis
2. its more complicated than that and I am not obligated to or interested in proving the existence of a racist narrative to you.
you dont know more about asian experiences in america than we do
im out of here lol I'm not doing this tonight
So you’re not even going to explain your positions? Nice f***ing job lmao, I’m pretty f***ing sure I’ve been through more racism than you ever will as a Black Muslim, people f***ing called me a terrorist and a n*gger at the same f***ing time, I’m not a f***ing white person I can f***ing relate to Pakistani people as well as Black people, gtfo outta here with that bullshit bum ass nigga
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyBadKarma
So you’re not even going to explain your positions? Nice f***ing job lmao, I’m pretty f***ing sure I’ve been through more racism than you ever will as a Black Muslim, people f***ing called me a terrorist and a n*gger at the same f***ing time, I’m not a f***ing white person I can f***ing relate to Pakistani people as well as Black people, gtfo outta here with that bullshit bum ass nigga
no one said you dont experience racism dumbass
that doesnt turn you into a f***ing phd on every racial groups experiences ever, the f*** are you on about?
and yeah I could "explain my position" but its my f***ing life not a history book, I'm not in the mood to do that with an a****** like yourself
Apr 6, 2021·1 replyBadKarmaSo you’re not even going to explain your positions? Nice f***ing job lmao, I’m pretty f***ing sure I’ve been through more racism than you ever will as a Black Muslim, people f***ing called me a terrorist and a n*gger at the same f***ing time, I’m not a f***ing white person I can f***ing relate to Pakistani people as well as Black people, gtfo outta here with that bullshit bum ass nigga
What is this the oppression olympics?
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyTkken
no one said you dont experience racism dumbass
that doesnt turn you into a f***ing phd on every racial groups experiences ever, the f*** are you on about?
and yeah I could "explain my position" but its my f***ing life not a history book, I'm not in the mood to do that with an a****** like yourself
In what way am I a f***ing a******* you f***ing toddler, I was kind enough to ask you for your reasoning and you start f***ing crying about how I can’t f***ing understand well then make me f***ing understand nigga
Apr 6, 2021·1 replyTkkenokay yeah so youre just ignorant lol
thats cool but I'm not going to respect this whole "why does their race matter" schtick if you aren't approaching the issue w/ a minimum level of knowledge and empathy
Didnt know south asians hate crime increased got links actually curious
- Apr 6, 2021PainPapi
What is this the oppression olympics?
Shut the f*** up you f***ing dumbass and gtfo with that white ass phrase
Apr 6, 2021·1 replyTkkenfair enough
to me the issue isnt "how much did racism play a role in this" bc thats hard to falsify in this situation
the broader issue is that you cant even say hes asian without it turning into some "why do you have to make it about race" bs, as if the narrative that asian people are weaker/non-masculine/etc doesnt play an obvious role in the spike in hate crimes
But the thing is this isn't a hate crime it was just a crime. Hence why the race aspect is so unnecessary especially using the race identifier of "asian" when the term isn't used to identify south asians often in america
- Apr 6, 2021Tkken
what is the criteria for when something has to do with someone being asian? do you not think race/ethnicity affects how vulnerable some kids think a person is?
again, has nothing to do with the anti-black media narrative which I oppose. and I'm posing this to you genuinely
i’m not talking about anti black media.
i’m saying that that current rise in hate crimes against Asians has clearly been toward East Asians and SEA.
This is mainly due to corona and so people have been attacking those who are Chinese or “look Chinese”.
These girls, like most Americans would likely see him as: Muslim or Indian.
Many people think Asian they think China, Japan & Korea which is obviously wrong.
When Sikh people were getting attacked no one said stop Asian hate crimes they said stop Muslim hate crimes despite many brown people not even being Muslim.
- Apr 6, 2021·1 reply
oPpReSSion oLymPics boy if you don’t get outta here with that tone boy
- Apr 6, 2021
I mean wht @Jbreezyondeck said is true lol.
If a pakistani/indian/middle eastern guy commits a crime like this, the headline aint gonna be asian man commits a crime, but muslim immigrant or some bs.
Media and especially this alt-right f***er tryna rile s*** up, pretty obvious
- Apr 6, 2021·2 repliesBadKarma
oPpReSSion oLymPics boy if you don’t get outta here with that tone boy
s*** the f*** up ive experience more racism than you s*** the f*** up f*** ass boy
- Apr 6, 2021
Saying the phrase oppression olympics then the next time you talk you speak about how you’ve been oppressed oh the irony
- Apr 6, 2021·1 replyPainPapi
s*** the f*** up ive experience more racism than you s*** the f*** up f*** ass boy
No you haven’t