as much as i wanna agree he had humble and damn as a whole

kendrick sounds nothing like eminem, if there's at least three other mcs you're more influenced by you're not an offspring lmao

Yeah DAMN. was when he started really selling and poppin numbers and popularity wise, outside of hip hop. But we talking 2010-2015 according to OP. He was not quite there yet.

Hmmmmmmm

Numbers have always been relevant

Having the number one record has always been relevant

But has recent trends towards artists seemingly caring about this even more, played a part in all of this?

Not caring to put together a concise piece of work, instead just loading it up with any track made during the sessions to boost numbers?

Idk just a thought. You don’t see this level of compromise for the overall piece of work in television and movies for example seemingly. Numbers arent as relevant to the ARTIST as they seem to be in music

Eminem did more than that in his music wtf

that’s not the only themes he explored in his music or what made him popular and you continue to ignore how I said out of Kendrick’s own mouth that “the rapping and storytelling of Marshal Matther LP changed (his) life” cause you keep tryna stay on this stupid ass point you made up

and most of the stories on GKMC are not some f***ing Disney fairytale what the hell sorry it wasn’t horror/dark enough? How does that make it any less Em inspired when the artist said that’s his biggest inspiration?

and literally U is on the next album

i think the problem here is is that most people dont know what em's music sounded like outside of the biggest songs. in his prime he was so cool brah

it’s cause this dumbass nigga keeps thinking if someone didn’t do Eminems’s career 1:1 then they weren’t influenced by Em and he has no major artists he influenced who matches/outdone him. like that’s so stupid. that’s like saying Kobe didn’t copy Kareem when Kobe said he learned how to shoot left handed and do skyhooks cause of Kareem

backstreet freestyle is arguably the most eminem esque kendrick song and even then you'd have a hard time finding ten people who would off the bat say it reminds them of eminem

he's not an offspring, kendrick and eminem are two entirely different mcs lol, the nicki comparison makes way more sense

Ah yes, the entire world stops and never evolves past that as soon as a genius like Kendrick Lamar enters a field. That’s why we’ve been stuck at the same technological level since 1910

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Kendrick Lamar said that Marshall Matthers LP changed his life and was the biggest influence to his debut album

dawg SHUT THE F*** UP PLEASE

I still don’t think TPAB or MBDTF are that good lol

also y'all gloss over the original argument that mmlp ruined hip hop which I called out as bs, eminem was mad inspiring to a lot of artists but he did not create a wave of eminem clones in the mainstream

A lot of Kanye popularity came from stuff outside of music. Like the bush moment, vmas etc. Kendrick just antisocial af to have those type of moments

that's completely irrelevant

For sure. Kanye was huge outside of music by the time the 10's rolled around, for better or worse.

Genuinely my favorite concept hip-hop album of the 2010s

I like some gaga songs...WTF DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT CAMERAS

it’s because you keep trying to use one lens as your determination of who was out here influenced by and pushed to the masses because of Em and his influence either in cadences, flows, rhyme schemes, sounds, etc.

without Em, we don’t get 50 and 50 will stand on that. but you seem to think cause 50 didn’t do horrorcore raps, he’s not a part of Eminem’s tree. your reasoning is dumb

Ion think thats what happened

Ppl gravitate to trap because ita generally more energetic and fun to listen to. Has nothing to do with them albums

it’s completely relevant and speaks to the influence of Eminem in his music

without him hearing that album, we don’t get GKMC or the star that is Kendrick Lamar today. sorry it wasn’t horrocore rap enough like wtf does that even mean

It’s a big reason his career got some insane longevity. A lot of the youngins learned from him from those memes and s*** lol

lol I'm a huge eminem fan, I was responding to a post claiming that mmlp ruined hip hop and my whole point is that neither the album nor eminem in general created a wave of eminem clones, even if you name nicki, kendrick, and tyler in this conversation that's still three of the greatest rap artists of the 21st century two of whom don't directly sound like eminem and are only loosely inspired by him

If there was a biggest cry baby on ktt award you would win it

but you keep minimizing your point to “clones” when we know that is not how influence works unless it was Wayne/Keef/Thug and keep ignoring direct quotes from the artists about that artists influence on their music

just because you ain’t see direct clones, doesn’t mean influence didn’t exist. where are the Drake clones even tho he’s the biggest rapper ever? you saw more Thug/soundcloud clones but who’s to say Drake didn’t influence artists like Rod Wave who are the biggest of their generation?

you reasoning focused on clones doesn’t make sense