Jun 9, 2020·1 reply
EnpaxBiden’s record is different from Hillary’s, he’s not blamed for Libya, Syria, or Iraq even if he is partly responsible. Obama is popular, at least much more than trump so being attached to him is a good thing. Like I said before, the left in this country is inconsequential, and the people on the left who’s vote actually matters are so repulsed by trump they’re willing to vote for Biden. Trump is a lot more unpopular now than he was 4 years ago because he’s no longer the underdog who wants a shot at taking on the establishment, but is now the leader of the ruling party in the country. More people are democrats than republicans, and more independents like Biden than trump, if we’re not going on polls and primary results then we have nothing left to go off of. Twitter has proven that voices on the internet don’t equal actual votes
Most people think Obama was either good or ok. Most people think trump is bad or ok
Breh he was Obamas vp. He cant invoke obama without invoking his record. Obama is not popular. If he was dems would not have lost in 2016.
" Like I said before, the left in this country is inconsequential, and the people on the left who’s vote actually matters are so repulsed by trump they’re willing to vote for Biden."
This isnt true at all lol. So many people refuse to vote whether its trump or biden. That only helps trump. You keep making this out to be a "biden will win because trump is unpopular" ignoring the fact that trump is at least popular with his base by a wide margin. The majority of people that hate trump arent even going to vote.
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyDurkio World
Breh he was Obamas vp. He cant invoke obama without invoking his record. Obama is not popular. If he was dems would not have lost in 2016.
" Like I said before, the left in this country is inconsequential, and the people on the left who’s vote actually matters are so repulsed by trump they’re willing to vote for Biden."
This isnt true at all lol. So many people refuse to vote whether its trump or biden. That only helps trump. You keep making this out to be a "biden will win because trump is unpopular" ignoring the fact that trump is at least popular with his base by a wide margin. The majority of people that hate trump arent even going to vote.
Obama is popular idk what you’re talking about. Bill Clinton was factually popular in 2000 and for much of the past few decades has been consistently listed as one of the better presidents, yet al gore lost in 2000 (won the popular vote just like Hillary tho)
It’s very true. You’re overestimating the people who refuse to vote because they’re too left. The left couldn’t push bernie over the edge, and he was universally their candidate. Trumps base isn’t large enough to secure a majority, his approval ratings are even lower now than before and they weren’t even high to begin with. The majority of people that hate trump and can vote are going to vote. The guys who don’t vote are either inconsequential lefties or people who don’t care who wins either way
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyEnpax
Obama is popular idk what you’re talking about. Bill Clinton was factually popular in 2000 and for much of the past few decades has been consistently listed as one of the better presidents, yet al gore lost in 2000 (won the popular vote just like Hillary tho)
It’s very true. You’re overestimating the people who refuse to vote because they’re too left. The left couldn’t push bernie over the edge, and he was universally their candidate. Trumps base isn’t large enough to secure a majority, his approval ratings are even lower now than before and they weren’t even high to begin with. The majority of people that hate trump and can vote are going to vote. The guys who don’t vote are either inconsequential lefties or people who don’t care who wins either way
Bill Clinton became unpopular at the time because he cheated and lied to the American public. Dems weren't going to win after that even though Bill was viewed as a good president. Long-term popularity isn't what I'm talking about. Idk why you bring up his popularity a few decades later. The strange part about that is the Clintons are more disliked now than ever before because their record is even more scrutinized.
Al Gore lost in 2000 because Clinton wasn't popular at that time specifically + Bush preached a noninterventionist foreign policy which was different than what Bill promoted in the 90s. More to it than you are suggesting.
I'm not overestimating it. I'm literally seeing it. It's happened time after time. Same thing with the right. Romney was unpopular with the right. They stayed home. He lost. Trump maxed out the white vote and while he lost some moderates, he still won because he reached out to the silent majority in a way no presidential nominee has done post-nixon.
Like I said before I don't take these polls serious. Mainstream media lies all the time whether it's dems or republicans. They distort the truth or stretch the data polling people in areas to reflect one outcome rather than how the country actually feels. Trump will win because he knows how to cater to the most disenfranchised group with the largest number of votes
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- Jun 9, 2020·2 repliesDurkio World
Bill Clinton became unpopular at the time because he cheated and lied to the American public. Dems weren't going to win after that even though Bill was viewed as a good president. Long-term popularity isn't what I'm talking about. Idk why you bring up his popularity a few decades later. The strange part about that is the Clintons are more disliked now than ever before because their record is even more scrutinized.
Al Gore lost in 2000 because Clinton wasn't popular at that time specifically + Bush preached a noninterventionist foreign policy which was different than what Bill promoted in the 90s. More to it than you are suggesting.
I'm not overestimating it. I'm literally seeing it. It's happened time after time. Same thing with the right. Romney was unpopular with the right. They stayed home. He lost. Trump maxed out the white vote and while he lost some moderates, he still won because he reached out to the silent majority in a way no presidential nominee has done post-nixon.
Like I said before I don't take these polls serious. Mainstream media lies all the time whether it's dems or republicans. They distort the truth or stretch the data polling people in areas to reflect one outcome rather than how the country actually feels. Trump will win because he knows how to cater to the most disenfranchised group with the largest number of votes
Bill was popular leaving office, even after the scandal news.gallup.com/poll/4609/presidential-job-approval-bill-clintons-high-ratings-midst.aspx
I only brought up the next few decades to bring up that bill was generally popular (maybe not so much now) yet his vp lostBush lost the popular vote and became president because his brother was playing games in Florida
Liberals and left are not synonyms, the slight majority of Americans are liberals who are fine with Biden if it means their arch enemy trump is out of office.
Trumps base is not the silent majority because it’s not even the majority lol. I’ve learned from this primary experience not to take the opinions of people on the internet seriously at all, no matter how overwhelming. You keep saying the polls mean nothing but they weren’t entirely innacurate, they just got a couple states wrong. The national margin of victory for Hillary in the rcp average is similar to the popular vote margin she had. Also a lot of Americans aren’t entirely liberal or conservative cause they fall around the middle, and they’re a much more important group electorally than the leftists. The moderates prefer Biden to trump
Jun 9, 2020
Young DInteresting. I feel like that's the general argument that people make about why they don't like Kamala. What makes you like her more than Bottoms?
Kamala pays huge lipservice to progressive politics
She seems potentially moveable
I dnt think shed surround herself w larry summers types either but honestly im not even sure
Every scenario is an L for progressives
Jun 9, 2020·editedi am very curious to watch the debates, its gonna be such a s*** show
- Jun 9, 2020·edited·3 repliesEnpax
Bill was popular leaving office, even after the scandal https://news.gallup.com/poll/4609/presidential-job-approval-bill-clintons-high-ratings-midst.aspx
I only brought up the next few decades to bring up that bill was generally popular (maybe not so much now) yet his vp lostBush lost the popular vote and became president because his brother was playing games in Florida
Liberals and left are not synonyms, the slight majority of Americans are liberals who are fine with Biden if it means their arch enemy trump is out of office.
Trumps base is not the silent majority because it’s not even the majority lol. I’ve learned from this primary experience not to take the opinions of people on the internet seriously at all, no matter how overwhelming. You keep saying the polls mean nothing but they weren’t entirely innacurate, they just got a couple states wrong. The national margin of victory for Hillary in the rcp average is similar to the popular vote margin she had. Also a lot of Americans aren’t entirely liberal or conservative cause they fall around the middle, and they’re a much more important group electorally than the leftists. The moderates prefer Biden to trump
"As he was leaving office, a CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup poll revealed 45% said they'd miss him. While 55% thought he "would have something worthwhile to contribute and should remain active in public life", 68% thought he'd be remembered for his "involvement in personal scandal", and 58% answered "No" to the question "Do you generally think Bill Clinton is honest and trustworthy?". 47% of the respondents identified themselves as being Clinton supporters. 47% said he would be remembered as either "outstanding" or "above average" as a president while 22% said he would be remembered as "below average" or "poor"."
I could post the polls if you need me to. This isn't really a strong indication people had a strong opinion of him.
Popular vote =/= winning the presidency.
You guys said the same thing about hilary and the results proved otherwise.
Do you know what the silent majority is fam? I think you should start following perceptions online. Not to mention the polls understated trumps potential in the rustbelt significantly lmao. This is because mainstream america doesnt want populism to influence nations. It's the biggest threat to the status quo
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyDurkio World
"As he was leaving office, a CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup poll revealed 45% said they'd miss him. While 55% thought he "would have something worthwhile to contribute and should remain active in public life", 68% thought he'd be remembered for his "involvement in personal scandal", and 58% answered "No" to the question "Do you generally think Bill Clinton is honest and trustworthy?". 47% of the respondents identified themselves as being Clinton supporters. 47% said he would be remembered as either "outstanding" or "above average" as a president while 22% said he would be remembered as "below average" or "poor"."
I could post the polls if you need me to. This isn't really a strong indication people had a strong opinion of him.
Popular vote =/= winning the presidency.
You guys said the same thing about hilary and the results proved otherwise.
Do you know what the silent majority is fam? I think you should start following perceptions online. Not to mention the polls understated trumps potential in the rustbelt significantly lmao. This is because mainstream america doesnt want populism to influence nations. It's the biggest threat to the status quo
Just because you don’t find someone honest and trustworthy doesn’t mean you think they would be a bad president, that’s why 45% who would miss him is more than the 42% that think he’s honest. 55% thinking he should stay in public life is more support than what trump now. By even the account you give, like 78% of people thought he was at least average.
I didn’t think hillary would win the popular vote if trump became president, I was expecting trump to win the popular vote when I started watching the results on election night
The silent majority is something people like Nixon say to make it seem like Americans are actually somewhat conservative and not what Hollywood and media pundits push, but the truth is whenever people actually vote they vote democrat
- Jun 9, 2020·2 repliesEnpax
Just because you don’t find someone honest and trustworthy doesn’t mean you think they would be a bad president, that’s why 45% who would miss him is more than the 42% that think he’s honest. 55% thinking he should stay in public life is more support than what trump now. By even the account you give, like 78% of people thought he was at least average.
I didn’t think hillary would win the popular vote if trump became president, I was expecting trump to win the popular vote when I started watching the results on election night
The silent majority is something people like Nixon say to make it seem like Americans are actually somewhat conservative and not what Hollywood and media pundits push, but the truth is whenever people actually vote they vote democrat
Honesty and trustworthy is one of the most important factors in electing a president fam. If people dont trust you, they wont vote for you. Nearly half of the people polled in this were dems. If you polled that much for republicans, the numbers would be pretty decent for trump. Lmao like 95 percent of republicans are going to vote for trump in 2020. He's popular with the party.
This isn't true at all. And the strategy nixon used proved that. Times have changed, I'll agree but the fact is the majority of this nation is in fact white and lean more conservative on key issues which is why the strategy worked so well and why so many other candidates have utilized similar strategies an had an energetic campaign. From nixon to buchanan to paul to sanders to trump
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyDurkio World
Honesty and trustworthy is one of the most important factors in electing a president fam. If people dont trust you, they wont vote for you. Nearly half of the people polled in this were dems. If you polled that much for republicans, the numbers would be pretty decent for trump. Lmao like 95 percent of republicans are going to vote for trump in 2020. He's popular with the party.
This isn't true at all. And the strategy nixon used proved that. Times have changed, I'll agree but the fact is the majority of this nation is in fact white and lean more conservative on key issues which is why the strategy worked so well and why so many other candidates have utilized similar strategies an had an energetic campaign. From nixon to buchanan to paul to sanders to trump
If the vast majority of republicans vote for trump but a regular majority of both democrats and independents vote for Biden, then Biden is gonna win. Marco Rubio was not very energetic and he probably would’ve beaten hillary too, she’s a bad candidate and the democrat cycle ran its course. You keep ignoring the fact that independents often decide elections and independents mostly prefer Biden over trump
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyEnpax
If the vast majority of republicans vote for trump but a regular majority of both democrats and independents vote for Biden, then Biden is gonna win. Marco Rubio was not very energetic and he probably would’ve beaten hillary too, she’s a bad candidate and the democrat cycle ran its course. You keep ignoring the fact that independents often decide elections and independents mostly prefer Biden over trump
That's a big if and I doubt this will be the case. Marco had his own issues and he probably would have lost because he was terrible on some issues that trump used to swing things in his favor. The map would have been closer. Marco was just as bad on the issues. He was basically a hispanic romney. Not really a smart decision. And Marco would not have been the nominee. Would have been cruz.
I'm not ignoring independents at all. I'm just not going to put faith in polls understating rural america who trump has done very well with and who dems have no answer to right now. Trump prioritizes the issues white america wants talked about more than anyone. That's why he does well.
- Jun 9, 2020·edited·1 replyEnpax
Bill was popular leaving office, even after the scandal https://news.gallup.com/poll/4609/presidential-job-approval-bill-clintons-high-ratings-midst.aspx
I only brought up the next few decades to bring up that bill was generally popular (maybe not so much now) yet his vp lostBush lost the popular vote and became president because his brother was playing games in Florida
Liberals and left are not synonyms, the slight majority of Americans are liberals who are fine with Biden if it means their arch enemy trump is out of office.
Trumps base is not the silent majority because it’s not even the majority lol. I’ve learned from this primary experience not to take the opinions of people on the internet seriously at all, no matter how overwhelming. You keep saying the polls mean nothing but they weren’t entirely innacurate, they just got a couple states wrong. The national margin of victory for Hillary in the rcp average is similar to the popular vote margin she had. Also a lot of Americans aren’t entirely liberal or conservative cause they fall around the middle, and they’re a much more important group electorally than the leftists. The moderates prefer Biden to trump
my parents still think Bill was the best president america has had in decades
he was very liked
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyDurkio World
That's a big if and I doubt this will be the case. Marco had his own issues and he probably would have lost because he was terrible on some issues that trump used to swing things in his favor. The map would have been closer. Marco was just as bad on the issues. He was basically a hispanic romney. Not really a smart decision. And Marco would not have been the nominee. Would have been cruz.
I'm not ignoring independents at all. I'm just not going to put faith in polls understating rural america who trump has done very well with and who dems have no answer to right now. Trump prioritizes the issues white america wants talked about more than anyone. That's why he does well.
I didn’t bring up Marco to say he was a strong candidate or that he would have been the nominee, jus to bring up how unpopular hillary is despite winning the popular vote. Trump is not a man of the people no matter how much he wants to portray himself as one. Most Americans don’t live in rural areas and most Americans don’t support him, this is evident by any data we have, including actual voting results
- Jun 9, 2020Sixty 5
my parents still think Bill was the best president america has had in decades
he was very liked
By default, he kinda is. I mean you can make a case for Obama, but under Clinton the economy grew more and foreign wars weren’t as big a concern for the American people. That’s not to say he was a “good” president but at least better than Nixon, carter, Reagan, or either bush 1 and 2
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyEnpax
I didn’t bring up Marco to say he was a strong candidate or that he would have been the nominee, jus to bring up how unpopular hillary is despite winning the popular vote. Trump is not a man of the people no matter how much he wants to portray himself as one. Most Americans don’t live in rural areas and most Americans don’t support him, this is evident by any data we have, including actual voting results
A good enough number helped swing trump to victory in key states. Elections come down to the midwest and a few key southern states.
- Jun 9, 2020·1 replyDurkio World
A good enough number helped swing trump to victory in key states. Elections come down to the midwest and a few key southern states.
Yeah, and polls have Biden beating trump in much of the Midwest, and before you say “polls don’t matter” he showed a much stronger performance in these areas in the primaries than hillary did
- Jun 9, 2020Enpax
Yeah, and polls have Biden beating trump in much of the Midwest, and before you say “polls don’t matter” he showed a much stronger performance in these areas in the primaries than hillary did
ok. agree to disagree
Jun 9, 2020
Jun 9, 2020
FedericoTicket gonna be Biden Bottoms
- Jun 9, 2020·1 reply
Mitch hasn't led in a poll by more than 2 points since last year, and a new poll came out today showing him down by 1
Jun 9, 2020·2 repliesYoung DMitch hasn't led in a poll by more than 2 points since last year, and a new poll came out today showing him down by 1
too bad amy mcgrath is also terrible
