It's really not a sincere question because it's inherently warped in liberal authoritarianism. Even if somehow it wasnt necessary to have private insurance that doesnt change the fact that he wants to remove choice. A lot of s*** isn't necessary in life. Doesn't mean you gotta take away choice.

Regardless he's going to make some reductive argument about private insurance vs w.e. the f*** bernie wants so I'm not interested in having a discussion with him. Especially when he can't admit he was wrong. He was proven wrong like a month ago on polling and even got called out by other Bernie supporters and just moved on instead of taking the L

for sure for sure, makes sense.

Current spending: We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice between keeping their current benefits and the $1,000, and would not receive both.

Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is based on earned work credits. Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a means-tested program. You can collect both SSDI and $1,000 a month. Most people who are legally disabled receive both SSDI and SSI. Under the universal basic income, those who are legally disabled would have a choice between collecting SSDI and the $1,000, or collecting SSDI and SSI, whichever is more generous.

Both from Yangs website. So gut welfare programs, and choose between SSDI and 1k, or SSI and SSDI

And yes, that's the issue. If you have to choose between it and your welfare benefits, you are inherently going to get less of a benefit than someone who isn't relying on welfare in the first place.

When exactly did any of this happen lmfao

And how is giving people the right to go to any doctor they want, at any time they choose, removing choice? Please explain or go f*** off somewhere.

Don't think I've ever been called out by an actual bernie supporter on here

This happened when the forum first started getting active.

He's already being reductive in his response here lmao

In what context?

And how is it reductive? What do you want choice in? the right to choose which private insurance company to give your money to? the right to incur massive medical debt and pay for expensive prescription d****? Or the right to live in a country that ranks below so many others in health care outcomes while spending twice as much per capita?

is that the choice you want? please expand. Or you can keep sitting there and pretending you have a point

Not sure how that guts social welfare programs, explain

And yes you receive less as a welfare recipient than someone that didn’t need welfare in the first place but you still receive more or as much as you did before, never less.

Plus giving the full $1000 to people that didn’t need welfare in the first place is the most beneficial bc those are the people that'll spend it back into the economy

Simply saying some bullshit about another person being reductive doesn't mean that's the case lmao.

He literally wants to consolidate welfare programs into his UBI or like he said, make you choose between them. He believes we spend too much on welfare and that by moving to UBI and eliminating some of these programs or by reducing the cost of the ubi because those who choose welfare just wont get it.

so basically = lessen cost of welfare because most people will choose ubi

and yes, theyll have more but to say theyll have an extra 1k a month to spend on whatever is disingenuous

that sounds like some quasi trickle down economics s***. if you give a wealthy person an extra 1k a month theyll prolly just invest most of it

Oh, Bloomberg rich rich

That bernie bro s*** is so dumb. Nine percent of bernie supporters in primaries voted for trump in the general election? That’s the main complaint right?

And yet 24-25% of Hillary supporters in the 08 primary switched aisles and voted for McCain. Guess who won

childish antics blaming a small group of voters for the faults of a flawed campaign and candidate. Three years later and ppl still can’t take off the blinders. It’s like blaming the last person to strike out on the losing team in baseball when all of batting and defense was slacking

yeah the bernie bro s*** always been a myth, just like the bernie-trump voter is a myth

maybe democrats should try and find candidates that appeal to the working class people instead of corporate interests, but then again theyd rather smear those kinds of people

Id like to choose between private insurance and not the trash ass insurance the incompetent federal government would provide.

If it’s free it must be good

100%

I think warren is sus and is standing on Bernie’s shoulders but there is still a vision to her campaign.

There is no vision behind Pete buttigeg, Biden, and Klobuchar. God forbid Beto when he was running. Their campaigns are like looking into a black hole of needless ambition. The number of corporate donors behind an Indiana mayor should say enough, and yet the media treats him like a godson. No question for him last debate on faking black voter support. No question of his involvement with McKinsey when he was in Iraq. Sickening.

Trump gets away with s*** because he doesn’t hide who he is. He is the a****** demographic president that makes a dumb spectacle of everything. And everyone eats it up. Democrats paint an easy target on their back by feigning integrity and standing for the people when their hands are bloody too. Better not take another election for them to realize not all of America is on Twitter.

You realize it literally would be impossible for it to be worse right?

Other governments do this in some form, they have better health outcomes than us. your argument doesn't hold up.

this is super ironic coming from someone who supports a candidate whos literally campaigning on giving you a free 1k

It’s a cost of living adjustment that inherently gives you choices rather than being forced into a government sponsored policy without any. Your whole rhetoric is removing the dominance of rich while people from our society but yet you want them to control your health care?

I love how they think 1k will solve anything lol

Last I checked, the guy proposing medicare for all isn't indebted to rich white people. Rich white people are the ones profiting off our current system. You think I'd trust Trump if he was running on medicare for all? No.

Why don't we privatize the firefighters?

The people who can pay for better fire fighting service should get better protection from fires, and if you don't have a plan that covers your area or your needs, well the out of pocket expenses are gonna go way up.

There's three types of healthcare systems.

1. Market Based
2. Socialist
3. Pseudo Market Corporate Socialism

We are in the 3rd right now. 2 and 3 are trash. My argument does hold up. We arent a free economy.

Also, other countries have tons of problems with their s***ty socialist run healthcare systems and cant sustain themselves which is why they borrow tons from banks and incur massive debt + high taxes

This is kinda terrifying. On a similar note tho, cops f***ing up shouldn’t come out of taxpayer money. They’ve already cost Chicago millions this year alone, and millions more over last few years. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to cover legal and administrative costs of a dirty pos who shot a kid 15 times in the back.

If cops were insured, their rates would go up when they f*** up and itd affect the departments and unions finances. Bet there’d be a lot less s***ty cops without municipality safety nets and instead insurance companies breathing down their neck

All you know about Bernie is how he protrays himself in the media. In a general sense he’s just another rich white politician