So many of them will just bicker on and on about who to accept as part of their "side" and talk about revolutions

Newsflash a******s: there is no revolution

Most people don't actually give a s*** about changing the entire structure of our system u dingus

They just want what's best for them, and hey, I don't blame them, I do too

But instead of bringing these people on their side, the left would rather alienate them more and more

First liberals aren't good enough, than social democrats aren't good enough, and finally, it won't be good enough unless you believe in a bullshit communist utopia which one hundred percent won't work and exist lol gtfo here

I said my piece

SAY HIS NAME

humans are inherently selfish and leftists want to believe this isn't the case

damn another instance of a motherfucker having absolutely no clue what they are talking about. you hate to see it

Lol you're the biggest offender of this you delusional clown

says you, an absolute clown.

much of the theory which originated marxism is based on the idea that humans are inherently selfish, its a major part of why they believe fundamental societal structures are exploitative. the basis of marxism is hyper-individualism which is essentially indistinguishable from selfish will

i know its a whole 'no true scotsmen' thing, but online leftism in the current era is really its own thing disconnected from reality. it really has nothing to do with actual marxist/post-marxist theory even if certain people claim otherwise. most online leftism is more a result of the tradition of western academia which itself follows a lineage of anti-aristocracy rather than pro-communism. Once you notice the pattern that modern leftism is based on simply appropriation of bourgeoise decadence to the masses - basically just jealousy of aristocracy - rather than the abolishment of it, everything makes way more sense

Newsflash a******s: there is no revolution

U wish I was don't you?

it really would fit your agenda

Instead of thinking minorities can't have different opinions

Took you that long to realize ?

bruh this makes no sense

revolution might be the only thing that creates genuine and lasting change but its not like leftists are handing out flyers like "REVOLUTION 9/30 - bring your own ammo and tactical equipment!"

most leftists are just trying to organize, raise knowledge about our capitalist system, do mutual aid etc.

revolution would naturally emerge out of an organized and aware working class that realizes the necessity of changing this system and runs into opposition from the ruling class

hence why i dont get why some leftists want to cape for clowns going out and buying million dollar mansions and s***

our goal should never be to join the ranks of the exploiters or say hey we have the right to live in this unnecessary luxury as well, but to simply do away with exploitative relationships and to say our resources are better put elsewhere.

If i had over a million dollars you're damn right I'ma spend it on some luxurious s*** but that's just me

You can do that and still support causes that help the working class imo

I was actually referring to the meme that white people say "newsflash, buddy", but hey.

Also, that's a lot of projecting you're doing there, mate

This is definitely true and I agree, but it also goes deeper and I think that's where it gets controversial among the online left. The problem is that much of online leftism is fixated on social conflict, and only seems to understand anti-institutionalization of social causes as being inherently against the identities linked to the conflict. I think this is especially bad on twitter and that whole "breadtube" circle or whatever.

i think i agree just want to make sure i understand what youre saying

basically what i glean from this is that rather than trying to genuinely educate people, these breadtube clowns spend much of their caught up in the culture war s*** (of which the issues are important, but there is a reason they take up all the time) and dunking on repubs/libs for their s***brained takes

Yeah, I think that's at least part of it. I think another big issue is what they do or do not actually think qualifies as a "culture" issue which they should champion - such as focusing on intersectional ideas of race, sex, gender, sexuality, etc. as the primary concern to champion within the current system rather than actual abolishment of the system. Many of these breadtuber and adjacent types would rather a parallel/alternative system exists which just caters to their social sensibilities and have that considered "communism" rather than the actual abolishment of such systems to begin with. The problem is all too often this criticism gets interpreted as "well you just dont think gay/black/female/etc. are oppressed or want to help them" rather than the actual interpretation which should be even more de-constructive in regards wider societal relations. It's a complex topic and i'm also trying to lean on the shorter end of the explanation here since this really is like a dissertation level idea, so i don't really want to accidentally imply something i don't intend to either

America as a "free" country (inb4 'wUt fRe3 kUNtRy') has only existed for about 60-70 years. Slow money better than no money, and slow progress better than no progress

This girl told me that big leftists like the one u see online are the political equivalent of evangelists lmao and I agree

@Walter_Black what communist stole your girl then redistributed her p**** to the whole neighborhood

Sorry but the reality is that our current system is unsustainable environmentally, socially, economically, etc and anybody who thinks it can be “reformed” while preserving the power of those who are f***ing us over NOW is only furthering the problem

abolishing neoliberal identarianism and returning intersectionality to its radical roots

viewpointmag.com/2017/01/06/white-purity

theintercept.com/2018/05/27/identity-politics-book-asad-haider

unityandstruggle.org/2015/04/fanon-and-the-theory-of-race

thethirdrail.substack.com/p/racism-is-no-illusion-racecraft-is

There are four DSA members in Congress. That's it. If you're talking about people left of them that's a fringe of a fringe. I think most people serious about communism or whatever recognize internet bickering is not revolutionary. It's not like "leftists" are the only ones participating in this online blood letting and tribalism. A lot of alienated people are just blowing off steam. It's not that serious. Grifters pretend it is. It's micro-celebrity and influencers and their fandoms.

This is not the space where labor will take on capital. We don't know what that looks like yet. It's really a waiting game as forces larger than ourselves become embodied in politics. This recent economic crisis from COVID basically laundered a typical business cycle bust. The can got kicked down the road. You still saw more unrest than ever from both sides of the political spectrum. The people in power are feeling the pressure to reform and give concessions.

The future is not stable. The economy is a house of cards. China is being presented as a geopolitical rival. The climate is f***ed. In our lifetime we will see mass migration, water scracity, an uptick in natural disasters. There will be more COVIDs. The revolution is inevitable. The shape of that revolution is the question.