Most of you probably agree that the education system in America is s*** for one reason or another. It's highly racist both in the way it treats anyone who is non-white and in the actual material it teaches. It doesn't actually prepare kids to be well adjusted adults, but instead teaches them obedience and how to be a "good worker." It also promotes needless competition between children, thus leading to an environment where kids who perform worse, often through no fault of their own, are ostracized. This is because school is a reflection of society writ-large. Capitalism demands that there be winners and losers in society, so the same must be true of schools.

Basically, we need to get rid of this and instead have a form of education that promotes cooperation and self-expression rather than competition and memorizing items to be regurgitated on a multiple choice test. Early grades should be used almost entirely as social gatherings among children where they can make friends, learn basic math, writing, reading etc., in a cooperative manner, and express themselves in the arts if they choose to do so. School days should also be much shorter. As they grow older, the actual subjects they learn wouldn't change much throughout elementary and middle school, but theyd put much more emphasis on critical thinking and socialization. there is no reason a kid should need to take a test alone when he and a few other students, or even a whole clasroom can work towards an answer together. There are other things id gladly go into detail on, all the way through the college level, but OP is getting a bit long.

Gaddafi's view on Education in The Green Book is probably the most succinct and correct take on education I've seen summarized

"State-controlled education,which governments boast of whenever they are able to force it on their youths, is a method of suppressing freedom. It is a compulsory obliteration of a human being’s talent, as well as a coercive directing of a human being’s choices. It is an act of dictatorship destructive of freedom because it deprives people of their free choice, creativity and brilliance. To force a human-being to learn according to a set curriculum is a dictatorial act.To impose certain subjects upon people is also a dictatorial act."
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"State-controlled and standardized education is, in fact, a forced stultification of the masses. All governments which set courses of education in terms of formal curricula and force people to learn those courses coerce their citizens"
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"This does not mean that schools are to be closed and that people should turn their backs on education, as it may seem to superficial readers. On the contrary, it means. that society should provide all types of education, giving people the chance to choose freely any subjects they wish to learn. This requires a sufficient number of schools for all types of education. Insufficient numbers of schools restrict human freedom of choice, forcing them to learn only the subjects available, while depriving them of the natural right to choose because of the unavailability of other subjects."

this is true but i wonder how far he means by "all types of education"

"Societies which ban or monopolize knowledge are reactionary societies which are biased towards ignorance and are hostile to freedom. Societies which prohibit the teaching of religion are reactionary societies, biased towards ignorance and hostile to freedom. Societies which monopolize religious education are reactionary societies, biased towards ignorance and hostile to freedom. Equally so are the societies which distort the religions, civilizations and behavior of others in the process of teaching those subjects. Societies which consider materialistic knowledge taboo are likewise reactionary societies, biased towards ignorance and hostile to freedom. Knowledge is a natural right of every human being of which no one has the right to deprive him or her under any pretext, except in a case where a person does something which deprives him or her of that right."

synopsis i fw you and i mostly agree with this but rn typing this out on a kanye west forum is like talking to a brick wall and honestly you’re wasting your time.

I definitely agree here. People should be free to learn about whichever subject they see fit and no one should be deprived of any of their ability to learn under any circumstances

i guess i might be less radical than him in the sense that i still think its important for some subjects to be taught to a certain point? (mostly history, math, writing)

theres a chance someone takes somethiing from it, and it really takes me no time at all

Actually agree that they seriously need to fix the education system, don't know what the solution should be but it's one of the biggest problems in America I'd say

i can't really speak for him there but he likely believed one of two things;

A) either people would naturally take those courses because of the actual need to apply them, thus an organic pressure to know such
B) that if someone was truly to choose their own path in life aside from preconceived biases, if they didn't learn it, they likely never needed to do begin with

one thing to keep in mind is that Gaddafi believed that almost anything was valid as a belief/education as long the action didn't actively prevent others demonstrably from their own realization(s). this is relatively controversial among people who i think otherwise agree in theory

not a bad theory, but the problem with any socialist system is it reduces incentive and hinders innovation, right? i'm oversimplifying here, but it's kind of like those group projects in high school and college where 1 or 2 kids do all the work because everyones gonna get the credit for it equally anyways. doesnt really prepare you for the harsh reality of free market capitalism.

as always, the point is to get rid of the harsh reality of 'free market capitalism"

yeah i def wouldn't go as far as that.

idk, i definitely agree with a good amount of the points he makes but like you said, i can't speak for him when attempting to gauge just how much he would even agree with what my idea would be for education or if he'd even agree with any of it lol

right but we dont have a socialist economy. and that isnt going to just change overnight to accomodate for these ostracized kids who, to know fault of their own, can't "perform" at the level of their peers. I don't necessarily agree with the winner vs loser mentality in the real world.. but it's the real world. up to now at least.

the idea is to get people to imagine how certain aspects of society might work under a socialist system.

I hear you. I do agree something needs to be done with our current education system. I like this kind of thought provoking discussion.

I think we have an opportunity to make some major changes to the education system in the midst of the pandemic, as the next school year won't be a normal one anyway. Hopefully this chance will be taken.

Eh, I can offer a critique of how education is ran, but it's definitely not a situation that calls for abolition. An 8 hour school day is fine if the actual process isn't just babysitting and test fetishization. Tying funding to property value is the biggest flaw.

Lol let’s start with completely overhauling the American university system first

The way it’s setup currently is a f***ing joke.

unfortunately most people are going to use it to push virtual learning

8 hours is def too long, same as how its too long of a work day

i agree, it should be open admissions. anyone who wants to go can go

Couldn't supplementing with virtual learning help reduce the school day? I forgot exactly where (Northern CA) they said the upcoming school year for middle schoolers and high schoolers is going to be in person, twice a week, for 75-80 minutes. Gonna be interesting to see how that plays out. Don't know how much of it is gonna be virtual though

Not only that, but their curriculum needs to be taken down and destroyed

Schools should not force students to take gen ed classes of any kind. And they should be able to start taking classes towards their major of field of study from day 1. If you want to go to med school start prepping for that, and it should only be 2 years Max of undergrad not 4.

American universities are some of the biggest thieves on the planet. The amount of money they steal from families for the most useless mind numbing s*** is absurd.

you can do it without the need for virtual learning really

school to me is something that should be a social exercise. you lose that entirely with virtual learning.