Doesn't matter

I read OP

Half of this specific page

Is focused on handling social strain which causes people to commit crimes.
Which is fine, and then the other half is just responding to the police as we know it

The entire crux of every single "Abolish the Police" meme is literally just Police Reform memes.

And the rest is complaining about problems that are intrinsic throughout American culture. These are the same problems that lead to the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment or J. Marion Sims experimenting on black women, etc etc. In fact, we post on a forum where people joke about hating women and other posters call them out for it. We see bigotry online constantly. The police don't exist in a vacuum.

You're talking about department culture which stems from literal rednecks, racist, machismo men who go around beating their wives, etc etc that is already pervasive outside of the force.

And the link in OP mentions stuff like Video Footage wasn't enough to secure justice for XYZ. Then that's on the judicial system. If footage can't secure justice then abolishing the police won't change the fact that the Judicial system is also stacked against you. Probably for the same reason racist/bigoted attitudes are prevalent in America.

then you could just answer me :oblivious:

You’re not wrong

Which is why something like this would have to be supplemented with other big changes to work properly

the main enablers of racism/sexism is THROUGH capitalism though, and thats going through property laws, the jail system and slavery, etc. trying to be like "well some people DONT like capitalism!" isn't really a point, especially since a lot of left leaning policies and socialized systems like UHC are pretty popular in the US despite bernie not winning the primaries.

im not saying that body cams are the be all end all, but it was one of the major accountability measures being pushed by the DNC and what happened? cams were turned off, "missing footage", etc. if that didn't work, how would other measures fare?

police officers need masters degrees

Its irrelevant to whatever point ur trying to make

Ain’t no police being removed lol, best we can hope is they start making their training and s*** at them academy’s more difficult in the sense of training them properly and being able to somehow pick up who are not mentally straight in the head.

Also making them more accountable, charging them just like any other person

Bro, this is so tiring.

Certain Democrats have been trying to push UHC. Hillary didn't win pushing UHC in 2008, Bernie didn't win pushing UHC in 2016 and 2020, Conyer's plan didn't get as much support as it should have, etc etc. Your problem is with the American people.

And honestly this is the crux of 99 percent of problems. Unions lobby against UHC because they lose bargaining chips. Healthcare providers may bargain against UHC because of profit motive.
Half the country doesn't vote, etc etc. I see too many people trying to have their cake and eat it too. For their to be progress, people need to see the obstacles in front of them. And its straight up, not just capitalism standing in your way.

No one is saying capitalism isn't involved. Some of you just have this extremely narrow minded way of looking at reality.

You can't scapegoat capitalism for every single issue and argue that without capitalism racism and sexism disappear. Capitalism if anything may amplify or reinforce these attitudes, but removing it wouldn't change anything. These cultures now exist, regardless of whatever spawned them and they don't go away as easily as you would think.

I agree.

I think we do need some type f organized system like the police, but much less brutal and a smaller presence among the people.

And I think they should have at least a good 2 or 3 years of training of other cultures, time ot know and understand and memorize all the law, etc. It's a shame lawyers need a full 7 years but officers only need like 6 months. Smh

But doing a major overhaul of the whole system would be best. There needs to be something there to keep people in line cuz while more education and jobs, etc would reduce crime rate, there's gonna be people who just enjoy stealing and threatenng others lives cuz what they have will never be enough.

We would all love a police free, crime free, perfect society, but that's completely unrealistic. There's always gonna be crimes just like there will always be racism and sin in the world. That's unfortunately how the world is.

Another reason why I say reform and redo the entire police system instead of completely getting rid of it is because different cities will react differently. Minneapolis might do well without the police and crime rates might drop significantly but they could increase rapidly in another city like Miami.

The police are def not the best the way it is now, but with major changes we could do tests and different things to find out who's racist, who's not, who'll be good reps and leaders for our society, etc.

The scientists will be able to figure out what tests to do to find out all that stuff and how.

Bring in community based review boards and try to have officers from those areas work there too.

The police in its current function and state needs to be abolished yes. If people want some sort of law enforcement fine, however with how it is now and all the laws that have been put in place that protects police, they would have to be completely dismantled. A new form of police would have to come into play that will not only force laws of accountability that will apply to them, but it will also need more requirements in place in order to join. The reason for this is to dissuade white supremacists/racists from joining because most won't want to go through all of that and have restrictions on them just to kill PoC.

Look at Minneapolis

fox9.com/news/nine-member-majority-of-minneapolis-city-council-announce-support-for-dismantling-mpd

So they firing them all?

No, they are trying to incorporate a "community" style of police.

Maybe, maybe not. They are basically starting over and looking at a new way to protect communities. For example, if you have a cop only patrol the neighborhood they live in they are prob less likely to kill the people in that neighborhood and less likely to use excessive force.

I agree the legislation also requires reform, I agree that the police should be more locally sourced but not abolished

But I don't agree laws should be based on small communities. Geographical issues like natural disasters prevention codes for buildings sure. But the more social/human based laws should remain the same throughout the country as they aren't geographically dependent

Good employment for all, doesnt rid the world of crime.

Some ppl are just pieces of s***.

Is this really how they are gonna start the purge?

Cops have good employment, yes?

Why are half of them crooked, and planting d****, or guns or using excessive force?

Great video

Power hungry

Not if you actually read about it

Some, not most

the system needs to be reorganized / redid and training and prerequisites need to be a lot more strict when becoming an officer. not abolished.

an officer has no room for error in terms of killing or hurting someone therefore one f***up and your ass is not only off the force, but banned from reentering any other department and tried as a normal person if you killed or beat someone unjustly. that desk duty / paid leave s*** is pure stupidity and shouldnt be as common of a "punishment" as it is