Mar 14, 2025·3 replies
SABMAN TURNTquality is completely unrelated to quantity
if an artist is good at making music, they can make long albums that sound good
if an artist is bad at making music, they might try to hide the fact that they can only make 5 good songs a year by dropping a 10 song album every 2 years
Yes I do hate the notion that every long album is bad
Songs In The Key of Life & The Velvet Rope clear most 10 song albums. Stankonia, Life After Death, All Eyez On Me, its hella
Mar 14, 2025·1 replymr get doughYes I do hate the notion that every long album is bad
Songs In The Key of Life & The Velvet Rope clear most 10 song albums. Stankonia, Life After Death, All Eyez On Me, its hella
“Every long album is bad” and “every short album is amazing” are both shortsighted and incorrect statements to make.
But, in the streaming era especially, longer albums are more often than not the ones that suffer from bloated tracklists, redundant ideas, and tiresome playthroughs start to finish
Mar 14, 2025SABMAN TURNTlong tracklist gang wins again
can you really call yourself a music fan if you prefer getting LESS music??
music haters lost
real eaters go to golden coral everyday
Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFaderAlso it’s about respect for the audience and the album as an artform.
Most people don’t have an hour and a half to spare every single day to listen to an album in its entirety.
By making your tracklist 20+ songs and 80-90+ minutes in length, you’re indirectly asking fans to choose their favorite songs and add them to their playlists rather than experience the entire album in the format it was intended to be experienced in.
I will always respect shorter tracklists more than longer ones because it’s an exercise in restraint and a challenge for the artist to put their best foot forward and use their jurisdiction to trim what they think is excess
When I want to check out a new artist, if their project is 20 minutes I'm way more likely to listen to it than if it's 90 minutes lmao. Perfect example is this Carti album, I'm not going to listen to the whole thing I'll just find the highlights
- Mar 14, 2025·1 reply
Like I’m on Track 20 of MUSIC right now and I’m just starting to subconsciously tune it out a little because I feel like the last few tracks have been redundant and I look at the tracklist and there are 10 more songs to go
Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFaderAlso it’s about respect for the audience and the album as an artform.
Most people don’t have an hour and a half to spare every single day to listen to an album in its entirety.
By making your tracklist 20+ songs and 80-90+ minutes in length, you’re indirectly asking fans to choose their favorite songs and add them to their playlists rather than experience the entire album in the format it was intended to be experienced in.
I will always respect shorter tracklists more than longer ones because it’s an exercise in restraint and a challenge for the artist to put their best foot forward and use their jurisdiction to trim what they think is excess
This is true for the most part but a lot of people who want shorter albums would be the type to hate the most popular songs on an album so they would never be happy.
17-20 tracks is perfect length imo. In this era with shorter songs.
13-16 worked great back then with 3-6 minute songs.
Mar 14, 2025·2 repliesCrying at this thread + Carti dropping 30
Mar 14, 2025
monocultureWhy stop at 30.. why not 300.. 3000.. these artists are thinking small
Chris brown did that already almost done with my first listen
- Mar 14, 2025JPEGMAFIA
When I want to check out a new artist, if their project is 20 minutes I'm way more likely to listen to it than if it's 90 minutes lmao. Perfect example is this Carti album, I'm not going to listen to the whole thing I'll just find the highlights
Also, this. It’s usually only established artists that can release super long ass albums.
Nobody is going to listen to a new artist’s debut album if that s*** is 25+ songs. They don’t have the invested audience to ask for that much time from them
Mar 14, 2025·1 replymr get doughYes I do hate the notion that every long album is bad
Songs In The Key of Life & The Velvet Rope clear most 10 song albums. Stankonia, Life After Death, All Eyez On Me, its hella
Most of these albums were made back when vision took precedence over commercial success
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFader
It’s just a conversation about quality control. Every movie can be 3 or 4+ hours if they wanted them to be, but that’s simply overkill and that’s where the editing process comes in.
Does an album with a long tracklist inherently mean it will be bad? No. Does a short tracklist automatically mean an album is a classic? Also no.
But I think a longer tracklist increases the likelihood for underbaked or redundant songs to exist on the album than if there was a shorter tracklist
like i said, not every artist has the clear vision necessary to make long albums work
for example, Trippie Redd had a period where he was dropping long albums full of okay songs that should’ve been scrapped
meanwhile, The Weeknd just dropped a 22-song album (with 2 outros split for some reason) with a very clear direction & no misses
Young Thug dropped Slime Season 1&2 six weeks apart, totaling 40 songs, and the two projects create completely different atmospheres from each other with no misses
it takes immense talent to make long albums work. if an artist can pull it off, they should, but if not, settling for a short album is the next best option.
RICH 💸Mar 14, 2025SABMAN TURNTthe whole “long albums suck, short albums are great” argument falls apart when there’s a single bad song on a short album
you have 2 bad songs on a 10-song album, that’s 20% of the album being trash
you have 2 bad songs on a 25 song album, that’s only 8%
album length has no bearing on whether the music is good
if an artist can make 20+ good songs and its cohesive, that’s better than only being able to make 5 good songs and a few decent songs just to make it longer than EP length
yeah and when you bring your yo-yo to the baby keem concert and spend 20% of the time playing with it in the pit and 5% of the time filming on a motorola razr you miss 75% of the concert.
but that didnt stop you from doing that
- Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFader
Like I’m on Track 20 of MUSIC right now and I’m just starting to subconsciously tune it out a little because I feel like the last few tracks have been redundant and I look at the tracklist and there are 10 more songs to go
its definitely not interesting enough to be 30 tracks tbh
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻Mar 14, 2025·2 repliesJPEGMAFIA
I agree that an album can be both but most of the time when an album is 20+ songs and over an hour it just has a lot of skips and hard to get through, even if 5-8 songs are great. And personally I'm an album listener so if I like 8/20 songs I'm way less likely to return to it than if I like 8/15 songs
sure, but that’s about the artist’s hit/miss ratio then
that same 8/20 artist wouldn’t drop a 15 song album with 8 good songs, it would only be 6 hits on there
- Mar 14, 2025Mafia Boss
This is true for the most part but a lot of people who want shorter albums would be the type to hate the most popular songs on an album so they would never be happy.
17-20 tracks is perfect length imo. In this era with shorter songs.
13-16 worked great back then with 3-6 minute songs.
It just feels like it boils down to consumerism and excess. Like, if someone “only” likes 9/12 songs on an album, is that really worse than if they like 11/25 songs on an album simply because there are more options to choose from?
Millions upon millions of songs get uploaded online every single day. It just feels so first world problem to make the argument that like “oh if you like music you’ll like longer albums because there’s the potential to like more songs”
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFader
Also it’s about respect for the audience and the album as an artform.
Most people don’t have an hour and a half to spare every single day to listen to an album in its entirety.
By making your tracklist 20+ songs and 80-90+ minutes in length, you’re indirectly asking fans to choose their favorite songs and add them to their playlists rather than experience the entire album in the format it was intended to be experienced in.
I will always respect shorter tracklists more than longer ones because it’s an exercise in restraint and a challenge for the artist to put their best foot forward and use their jurisdiction to trim what they think is excess
completely backwards way of listening to music
if you like the music, you will find the time to listen
if you don’t, you won’t feel incentivized to toss it on
- Mar 14, 2025·1 replymr get dough
Yes I do hate the notion that every long album is bad
Songs In The Key of Life & The Velvet Rope clear most 10 song albums. Stankonia, Life After Death, All Eyez On Me, its hella
bro you named some of the greatest artists of all time, they can pull off super long albums but most cant and it sounds bloated
- Mar 14, 2025
Abel’s feature sounds like it was written by Drake tbh
- Mar 14, 2025·1 replySABMAN TURNT
like i said, not every artist has the clear vision necessary to make long albums work
for example, Trippie Redd had a period where he was dropping long albums full of okay songs that should’ve been scrapped
meanwhile, The Weeknd just dropped a 22-song album (with 2 outros split for some reason) with a very clear direction & no misses
Young Thug dropped Slime Season 1&2 six weeks apart, totaling 40 songs, and the two projects create completely different atmospheres from each other with no misses
it takes immense talent to make long albums work. if an artist can pull it off, they should, but if not, settling for a short album is the next best option.
I agree, it’s definitely possible to pull it off, and there are numerous instances in history where artists have.
But it just feels like in the streaming era, any artist is loading an album with as much songs as they potentially can just to increase their chances of playlisting and longterm sales. That and the “second albums disguises as deluxes” trend
- Mar 14, 2025·1 replySABMAN TURNT
completely backwards way of listening to music
if you like the music, you will find the time to listen
if you don’t, you won’t feel incentivized to toss it on
As a man with a full time job, it is much, much easier to find the time to play an album like GNX in its entirety in one day than it is to find the time to play an album like Scorpion in its entirety in one day, especially when there are other artists and other songs that I want to listen to
- Mar 14, 2025SABMAN TURNT
sure, but that’s about the artist’s hit/miss ratio then
that same 8/20 artist wouldn’t drop a 15 song album with 8 good songs, it would only be 6 hits on there
It feels like we’ve lost the plot when we’re breaking down albums into field goal percentages.
What happened to vision, artistic intent, and just respecting the album as an artform in general?
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻Mar 14, 2025·1 replyTheFader
I agree, it’s definitely possible to pull it off, and there are numerous instances in history where artists have.
But it just feels like in the streaming era, any artist is loading an album with as much songs as they potentially can just to increase their chances of playlisting and longterm sales. That and the “second albums disguises as deluxes” trend
artists in all eras have put out bloated albums
pre-iTunes, many albums themselves were the bloat for a few hit singles
- Mar 14, 2025·1 replyfun guy
its definitely not interesting enough to be 30 tracks tbh
Not at all. I’m on Track 23 and I’m just completely tuned out
Mar 14, 2025Jalen Brunson FanCrying at this thread + Carti dropping 30
You’ll see the narrative shift
Mar 14, 2025Jalen Brunson FanCrying at this thread + Carti dropping 30