double back like a deluxe

one of the biggest albums last year was literally called Short & Sweet so yeh

so we pretending blonde isn’t a classic now or what?

You will

You’ll see

He didn’t explain anything he subjectively and vaguely said it was “tired”

Lol what I mean by “on the internet” is this smug and subtly trying to “insult” me type tone you have over something as silly as considering their to be a top 3-5 rappers separate from everyone else which again has always been a thing and doesn’t stop just because the new niggas you like can’t do what Ye Drake Wayne Em Pac 50 BIG etc did and make music that sticks while also making hits lol

Which is why i presume people get so “annoyed” subconsciously by this convo

Guess thats just my “pattern recognition”. Lmaoo they need to drop a new gimmick for niggas to retreat to other than sarcastic unbothered know it all when they run out of actual logic

i actually did explain it again right under that post ur replying to

you niggas are still talking about drake v kendrick a year on, that’s some slop farming. s*** makes me feel like i’m in an asylum full of dementia ridden old folk

btw some of the new guys have actually.
carti for example. hes doing what they did. feel like i can name mad people in the past 10 years that have made hip hop history

If by flowers, you must mean radio play

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Too many niggas tryna be Jay Z

BIG Pac Snoop by all accounts would be that for 90’s and then also “Biggie Jay Z or Nas” Where Im From line, X Ja Hov in the late 90’s

Em Hov Nelly Outkast and then 50 em wayne kanye ti jay and that trickling down to Kendrick (Dre / 50 Em) Cole (Hov) Drake (Wayne)

Lol cmon man

Someone like Lucki is at the place a 05-06 Wayne was at to where he could make those type of songs and it fuels his whole rollout like it used to do for wayne but again this generation feels theyre too good to do certain intangible fundamental things like be lyrical over certain type of beats beyond trap s***. Its easier for someone like Lucki up until now to kinda water himself down and play on trap beats and that future keef d***ged out capo kind of character rather than making real projects that are versatile over a wide range of topics and beat styles. Nigga thats why the 2000’s tricks dont work for niggas lol. They just havent made the music for us to be excited about them beyond a certain ceiling

But being fair to lucki specifically he might be trying to switch that rn with D**** R Bad but im just saying; its guys who could fill those spots but they dont wanna be held to the same standards that every generation (or the 3-4 or so from Pac Snoop BIG to 2016ish) before were held to and stick to making certain type of music over specific types of beats and topics lol.

Veeze and Carti are in similar spots

Alternatively on the other end of the spectrum you have an Earl who I assume if you’d ask him about this he’d sidestep the convo by saying he dont wanna be mainstream lol

Which is cool but this generation 1990+ being so anti and nonchalant is why rap in the mainstream collapsed and why theres no new big 3 but of course there’s also the problems media has as a whole. But this started in the mid 2010’s way before “monoculture” collapsed its just unavoidable now that 2016 xxl class pretty much has fizzled out lol

Whats your favorite or even just a memorable Carti verse from the three albums youre thinking about without looking it up. I agree there has been memorable albums but because of nostalgia and cultural impact not really because he (or Travis or whoever else you have in mind) was really rapping lol. Future came close but even he would have been so much more versatile in the 2000’s lol

Sicillian b**** with long hair im smoking her derrière im smoking the thinnest air hoping them crackers see me like lookadabastardweezy

I had a dream i could buy my way to heaven but when i awoke i spent it on a necklace, i told God Id be back in a second something something its so hard not to act reckless lol

A cool or memorable song =/= good or quality rapping

Don’t mention “Mask On MF Doom” Challenge lol

you can't say that unless you started out at acme then ended up at paul's casablanca

first off, u just named 9 people for the 00s that could be in contention for that 3
ur just naming the top artists, there was no label of a big 3 it was constantly debated whos the best

if you look at what was going on back then, there are mad people who would call you a f***ing lunatic if u had nelly in that convo, or wayne at the time. Wayne only started popping fr in 2007/8 thats hwen he got to that status, he had been in the game for like 10 years at that point if thats the case u gotta count people like travi and carti as this gen

"this generation feels theyre too good to do certain intangible fundamental things like be lyrical over certain type of beats beyond trap s***"
that is because, that is not their lane. and thats good. you dont NEED to be versatile and if the music is worse off for attempting that theres no point. its cool here and there and theres mad artists if u like that, the youngest artists coming up are just most common in trap music. and again,, thats fine. ur glorifying one type of rap, you wouldnt say this if it was a boom bap rapper like "aw man they need some 808s!" gucci, waka, the roots, future, thug all these people stuck in their subgenre. lucki isnt watering himself down, this is whats great about him, freewave 3 ia
hip hop classic, hes in his senior era now. none of these guys r struggling, veeze is doing great as is carti they do not need to do old ass styles they dont like as much as what they r doing and their audience doesnt want that. they can excel at what they do. there r plenty of big artists of this gen, travis scott, yeat, playboi carti, tyler (who yes was from 2011 but his BIG era started in 2017)
saying rap collapsed in the mainstream is insane because it was still the biggest genre in the world last year and what u consider a "big artist' or "hit" is a question of are they literally one of the biggest artists in the WORLD

a 2000s underground artist would not even be considered underground by nowadays standards, the 2000s mainstream artists r not even the upper echelon for the most part of rappers today, because rap as a genre is f***ing massive now unlike the early 10s or the 00s or the 90s. this is an aspect nobody takes into account, raps peak commercially was around 2018/2017, the mainstream was the most on fire ever in the late 10s! not the 2000s lol. a lot of those big hits were only due to r&B crossovers,if you want versatile artists, hip hop is an older genre so yes there r a lot more older ppl but thats fine.. and so is artists that r more "underground" (wouldve never been considered underground in the 00s, earl is actually mad big just not relative to how huge hip hop is now) theres nothing wrong with that as they have creative freedom instead of other eras where people like lupe would be force fed thru the machine to make any money and f*** up their career making s*** nobody wants to hear from them!

yea i dont think rap skill has to matter all the time. carti has plenty memorable veres, not because of technical rap skill. stop breathing first verse,wokeuplike me first verse, shoota verse, iloveuihateu first verse, rockstar made last verse. he been rapping p good lately, his latest stuff has some good quotables and flows. EVILJORDAN, FEIN, blick sum.

travis i can def think of times he was really rapping
MY EYES, applie pie, 90210

future and travis are more versatile than most 2000s artists. future and travis have done boom bap, ATL trap music, rage, pop rap, alternative hip hop. I can think of future or travis verses where they rap well. the vocal performance is always more important than the pure rapping skill though.

memorable and good songs and albums are infinitely more important than rapping skill and a lot of ppls rapping rly wasnt all that what was so great about nelly's verses bro yes rapping skill is not as important to ppl in general and thats good because its opened up doors to more unique and good music. if you want good rapping skill, you can go to the older guys who have a flourishing incredible scene that isnt small. rome streetz, mach-hommy, navy blue (hes only 26 acc thats a good one hes better than most 00s rappers), Black thought's solo work, the blog era guys are still huge, denzel curry is pretty big, JID is huge both not even old just 30ish.

Hurry Up Tomorrow Out Now

Forget any type of albums lol Mainstream music as a centerpiece in society is dying. The fans/public can only blame ourselves. Instead of demanding quality, we have been ok with slop for more than a decade now--as long as it bumps in the whip and makes us shake our hips. Most music will be elevator/background music for videos/trends/TV 10 years from now, hell you can argue we are already here. 20 years from now I don't even wanna know.

mainstream s*** has always been mostly about what bumps in the whip and makes us shake our hips what is this insane revisionist history denial is a river is a massive song and that s*** is literally a mf doom type beat look at the #1 hits of every era its almost all dance songs party songs or someone dying

puts on Pound Cake first 30 seconds

Nothing was the same low key a classic though lol

Drake got one in hindsight

fans hate to admit it but the 20+ throw s*** on the wall thing felt cemented as a legitimate method for major artists with TLOP