Yeah that's what I thought I saw too I just had to pay for other s*** at the time

Plus if I'm being honest fam, even if it's never going to happen, I'd WAY rather have the Angel Lamp or the official Oceanview Motel keychain

man i was really sure about getting the collectors edition because i really want that art book but the price to ship to me is crazy its pushing like $300

F***ing hell man at that rate you might as well catch a flight and try to bring it back in carry on

I rewatched that scene last night where Warlin Door cuts the s\*\*\* with Alan finally and I noticed he said "Maybe you will make it through this time. This has gone on far enough. This and OUR Night Springs, it was a nice distraction."

This implies multiple things I don't think people are really picking up on

Night Springs is co-created by Alan AND Door. He explicitly says as much there

It also implies that Night Springs canonically if you were to simplify it ends as a thing in the spiral at that exact point every time

AND that Remedy planned that far ahead to have the TVs be in game at an eventual later point, for that line of dialogue to even make sense. I believe the TV gateways to the DLC stop just prior to this scene

That scene is a must rewatch if you just finished Night Springs

Also datamined dialogue from the Lake House implies one particular huge spoiler about Control 2. It will start after a 4 year time skip

Source for the datamined info?

Champions of Light is the best Alan Wake 2 YouTube channel and they have a Google Drive full of all of Remedys game files.

They datamined the dialogue strings and found this

https://www.mediafire.com/file/iudcsawm41gjn7e/AWE_TLH.pdf/file

BTW Heron is codename for Control 2

Which on a side note I find interesting since it's one letter away from Hedron and missing a D

seeing special agent SAGA ANDERSON in Bad Boys: Ride or Die

Wait I might watch off that alone

Been meaning to anyways when it comes to VOD

she just plays a love interest but not gonna lie it was a great watch in a packed theater. my crowd was loving it.

wish they let Saga's actress keep her British accent in this game. Kept noticing her accent slip through

Soooooo door saga pops right?

definitely

Yeah the whole resident of bright falls, disappeared when struck by lightning in 1988, "deadbeat father" Nordic mother thing seemed suspiciously placed

the way he dropped his whole act the second he found out alan wrote saga into the story

they said on their dev streams recently that the cutscene where door drops the act and confronts alan was originally supposed to be alans only boss fight that s*** would have been crazy

This game was good.

Many great moments, unique story, fantastic presentation. I was intrigued by the gameplay in regards to combat though, it's okay, great at times, but I wonder why remedy decided to go this route. They normally go head over heels into developing that aspect and that is usually the gem that shines through on most of their games imo. This one kinda goes for the industry standard, and not necessarily the highest one at that when even resident evil is still improving on that style/basis (though they're the ones that started it all to be fair, they have room to experiment). I was a giant fan of Alan wake 1/American nightmare/control, amazing gameplay in perfect synthesis with the narrative. And I think they might not have known how to crack this one in a truly engaging way. Enemies were bullet spongey and very easy to exploit once you figure out how. Weapons felt good to shoot though. And obviously, the detective/writers room concept and how it's implemented was easily the best part of the entire thing. Very unique and engaging.

Narrative was great too, but I felt like it was kind of jarring after playing them all in sequence to get to this one. A few changes in focus/retcons served to sand off some of the quirkier edges of the OG Alan wake vibe but its still good. I personally felt like OG Alan wake had its own vibe cooking that could have gone somewhere, all the nuclear base stuff, the meteorite stuff in American nightmare, Mr scratch being an overt doppelganger with dialogue and not just a jumpscare cloud, lots of s***. It was definitely INFLUENCED by twin peaks, but I think this one went a little head over heels for the connection to it, and I say that as a die hard twin peaks fan. Lots of leaps in logic too, even after the control dlc (in regards to Alice, door, control's prevalence in this plot, the whole s\*\*\* with Thomas Zane specifically imo). It felt like the narrative was doing random s*** sometimes, or as if remedy didn't like where certain threads were going after years between installments so they did some heavy rewrites that don't always go down smoothly. Playing all of these games in sequence also shows you that remedy has BAAAAAAAD 3rd act syndrome. Every climax is so stop and start, stop and start, think you're done, boss battle here, 2 hour cinematic sequence here, random action scene, underwhelming boss, then you're done. Just weird pacing overall sometimes, I guess that's the true problem. But not an insane one, still a great game and genuinely pushes some boundaries.
just my 2 cents

I gotta rewatch that, I'm forgetting it

Is final cut worth it?

Also wtf happened to the brothers????

this scene

the things they added in final draft are definitely worth watching on youtube or something at the least, i don't think it adds enough to justify another playthrough right after your first personally but if you're feeling another run through there's some good stuff in there

the brothers are explained in final draft

Fuuuuuck, gotta play it then. I'll do it on normal and scrape thru the rest of the collectibles and lore and s***, think I got basically everything

So, in your opinion, did Alan write all of this? In control, they kind of alluded to him having written Jesse and the bureau into existence and all that s\*\*\*. But it feels like they scaled back on all of that for this one

before i answer, have you played the night springs DLC?

Yes

its hard to say for sure if he's writing them all into existence, they've definitely commented on other stories like american nightmare or his appearance in control as alan writing attempts to escape the dark place that eventually ended up failing. night springs throws things off by referring to door and alan as the master of many worlds, door can't create worlds as far as we know, he can just travel through them, it's possible that alan's writing is his way of doing the same, not creating these scenarios, but writing himself into them as a way of travelling through to get what he needs

tbh with how he was portrayed in control, it seems almost like once you find a page, you're already f\*\*\*ed. Now you're thinking about your past and he's actively rewriting your memory. So I think you're right. Alan can change reality, but door can freely switch reality. Then my mind goes to "what's the link between how the darkness seeps into your brain, and how the hiss does it?", because door apparently created the hiss? (Wasn't that what Jesse's brother was saying?) And the place of people like Rose. Who go in/under the influence, and come out with power