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  • Jan 6, 2020

    Like imagine coming into a thread, when these questions are answered in an easily digestible format in 2 different documents in OP, while having a condescending tone about it when your starting point was calling people who agree with an ideology 'special'. You're going to get the energy you give off here lol I'm not nobodies parent.

    And like @Flower said, there's many different Anarchists lmao. There's anarcho-communists, anarcho-socialists (aka libertarian socialists/stateless socialists which is where EZLN falls), anarcho-primitivists, mutualists, anarcho-syndicalists & anarcho-pacifists. There's anarcho-capitalists but like nobody claims them. Then there's "just" Anarchists who don't subscribe to a sub ideology within Anarchism. You're going to get different views based on the sub-ideology someone subscribes to.

    Our common view is the state as a means of oppression and getting rid of it.

  • Jan 6, 2020

    Catalonia defended itself better than state societies did.

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    EZLN has been going strong for over 20 years. Before now I would have said Catalonia is what Anarchists hold with most value but EZLNs growth in size, "structure" & general ideology is really admirable tbh.

    And guess what? They're not killing each other 24/7. The shock. Didn't know humans could posses such capabilities without a state.

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    Enpax

    I used to hate on anarchism so much and think it was super childish but honestly if everyone was an anarchist we’d all be living a lot better

    Idealism

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Idealism

    This is true, but if you’re gonna be idealist, at least let it be the best ideals, and not ML states that were never gonna lead to anything

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    Enpax

    This is true, but if you’re gonna be idealist, at least let it be the best ideals, and not ML states that were never gonna lead to anything

    I was talking about philosophical idealism.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I was talking about philosophical idealism.

    Communism is idealist. There’s no way the people of the world are gonna agree to a truly equitable society in which the government strengthens itself before withering away. Not only is the truly socialist state in itself too unpopular, but I don’t know any socialist states on an actual pathway to a socialist society

  • Jan 6, 2020
    Mulder

    EZLN has been going strong for over 20 years. Before now I would have said Catalonia is what Anarchists hold with most value but EZLNs growth in size, "structure" & general ideology is really admirable tbh.

    And guess what? They're not killing each other 24/7. The shock. Didn't know humans could posses such capabilities without a state.

    Absolutely love EZLN. I love how there's a pattern that it's the anarchists in Mexico, Catalonia, and the Kurdish regions who are trying to preserve the original values and cultures of their people. Not "conservatives" and definitely not big government socialists who proclaim to support diversity but also want everyone to conform. It's sad that most people are so married to the idea of a monolithic nation state as the only way to run a country.

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    Enpax

    Communism is idealist. There’s no way the people of the world are gonna agree to a truly equitable society in which the government strengthens itself before withering away. Not only is the truly socialist state in itself too unpopular, but I don’t know any socialist states on an actual pathway to a socialist society


    Again I'm not talking about idealism as in being inspired by ideals lol. I'm talking about idealism in contrast to materialism.

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    Scratchin Mamba


    Again I'm not talking about idealism as in being inspired by ideals lol. I'm talking about idealism in contrast to materialism.

    Oh lol. Idk if I’d call myself an idealist, and im not even arguing to institute methods to bring about anarchy. I’m more saying if everyone was on the same page that would be cool. Of course that’s not a real part of the human experience

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    Enpax

    Oh lol. Idk if I’d call myself an idealist, and im not even arguing to institute methods to bring about anarchy. I’m more saying if everyone was on the same page that would be cool. Of course that’s not a real part of the human experience

    Your post about how the world would be a much better place if everybody would just change their mind about how society should be organized shows that your thought process is already idealist.

  • Jan 6, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    Your post about how the world would be a much better place if everybody would just change their mind about how society should be organized shows that your thought process is already idealist.

    That’s on the same level as me saying “the world would be better if nobody wanted to hurt each other” I’m not seriously proposing everyone be an anarchist. Im saying in magic world where everyone was a anarchist we wouldn’t have any conflict. If we’re talking about my actual beliefs on how the world should run, that’s something else

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    soapmanwun

    @Scratchin_Bandit that avi

    Two legends gone too soon

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    I don't like Vice at all but this is a good reminder where this new decade is going:

    This is just 2019. Imagine where we're gonna be by the end of the decade. It's creepy how all of these scenarios from dystopian sci-fi books are coming true.

  • Jan 7, 2020
    Flower

    I don't like Vice at all but this is a good reminder where this new decade is going:

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Y

    This is just 2019. Imagine where we're gonna be by the end of the decade. It's creepy how all of these scenarios from dystopian sci-fi books are coming true.

    every country on earth engages in high-tech surveillance, the least you can do is not boost Vice when they wanna use a salient and undeniable fact about modernity in order to be racist

  • Jan 7, 2020

    Police officers in the US were charged with more than 400 rapes over a 9-year period

    cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope/index.html

    "There are no comprehensive statistics available on problems with police integrity," the report says, and no government entity collects data on police who are arrested.
    It adds, "Police sexual misconduct and cases of police sexual violence are often referred to as hidden offenses, and studies on police sexual misconduct are usually based on small samples or derived from officer surveys that are threatened by a reluctance to reveal these cases."
    The nation's foremost researchers on the subject, thus, must often rely on published media reports. The BGSU numbers, for instance, are the result of Google alerts on 48 search terms entered by researchers. The scholars then follow each case through adjudication.

    Bowling Green State University created an entire database of crimes committed by the law enforcement based on news articles they could find.
    policecrime.bgsu.edu/Home/Crimes

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    Mulder

    The "nitty gritty" is already answered because we've already studied this and Anarchism is tied to our natural state in the world.

    It's common sense things that communities already have done. The three largest autonomous places have been Catalonia, Rojava & Chiapas. Rojava has a population of like 2 million people. The Zapatistas (upwards of 400,000 people nowadays) municipalities are anarchist communities that have bottom up votes and voted delegates to account for each communities problems. They have assemblies and everyone over the age of 12 has an equal say in community issues and vote to reach the consensus. Developing Zapatista Autonomy: Conflict and NGO Involvement in Rebel Chiapas by Niels Barmeyer is a pretty indepth look at these municipalities in terms of day to day and overall structure.

    No disrespect, but the questions you're asking are face value with answers right in front of your face while having a condescending tone about it. You're basically asking how are people going to have common sense in an Anarchist community.

    Anarchist communities contrary to uninformed belief are extremely organized. They are active proof of how these communities are doing just fine. Have you studied the Spanish Civil War? Do you see what it took to take Catalonia?

    So I’ve read a little into the Zapatista’s and apparently elders decide on military action.. which is a social hierarchy.

    I’ve heard there’s many forms of leadership.

    This whole thread I’ve been arguing about a need of some form of hierarchy for a society to work. I can read more into it but I’m not convinced my mind will change on hierarchies. There has to be some kind of order for things to get done.

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    So I’ve read a little into the Zapatista’s and apparently elders decide on military action.. which is a social hierarchy.

    I’ve heard there’s many forms of leadership.

    This whole thread I’ve been arguing about a need of some form of hierarchy for a society to work. I can read more into it but I’m not convinced my mind will change on hierarchies. There has to be some kind of order for things to get done.

    Dude....

    Did you f***ing read OP?

    Any and all forms of authority, coercion, domination, and otherwise forceful actions have upon them a burden of proof. They must prove that they are indeed legitimate, that the people need it, and then the people must agree to the extent of it's domination.

    Besides that, you ask a dumb question then try to reform your entire argument. First it was who decides x and y? The answer is everyone decides because everything is voted into existence by the community.

    The military head was voted in by the people. They are a front for it and the people still have equal say Your ass probably think Subcomandate Marcos Is a "leader".

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    in I'm a catalan anarchist

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    272Coz

    in I'm a catalan anarchist

    For the lurkers you should drop a summary of your beliefs, I'll try to do the same later.

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    Not replying to Tone anymore until he actually reads something Don't bother fam.

    Anyways, the OP and general vibe of the thread is more social anarchism. I'll try to post some individualist anarchism information at some point.

  • Mulder

    Dude....

    Did you f***ing read OP?

    Any and all forms of authority, coercion, domination, and otherwise forceful actions have upon them a burden of proof. They must prove that they are indeed legitimate, that the people need it, and then the people must agree to the extent of it's domination.

    Besides that, you ask a dumb question then try to reform your entire argument. First it was who decides x and y? The answer is everyone decides because everything is voted into existence by the community.

    The military head was voted in by the people. They are a front for it and the people still have equal say Your ass probably think Subcomandate Marcos Is a "leader".

    I did read the thread.

    “Anarchism is quite simply the idea that society.... consisting of free association between individuals without need for any hierarchies, artificial orders and structures,”

    Did you?

    I read into it and now apparently what I read was wrong. The runaround is real

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