"literally the only way"

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Had some amazing articles from Anarchists I followed on Twitter but I deleted my Twitter months ago so it will take an afternoon to find them again but they're way better at expressing how I feel about issues around the globe than anything me and my s***ty English could put into words. I'm busy rn but I'll post later. 😊

Don't even fret, I suck at articulating my thoughts the best too and English is my first language lol, anxiety and disorganized thoughts are a b****.

However, this is a good thread:

Who would enforce the laws? Who would organize the democratic process? How large is this community?

Oh if only those Anarchist philosophers thought of that.... You really got em now. Lock thread.

Alternatively you could have bothered clicking on the links @Nightmares put in the OP.

Lol

Imagine having that line of thinking. Imagine believing that humans don't know how to interact and solve issues between each other without laws. It's actually laws and governments that make normal, healthy human interactions more complicated than they need to be.

There would be a group of people who would serve as law enforcers I guess. It would be organized by people that naturally led the movement, and the communities would be towns and cities, basically any area were people coalesce as a single functioning group. The point of anarchy isn’t that anyone can do what they want, it’s that the people themselves can control their own means of production. Essentially, it’s like super democracy

You guys are the laziest activists. I’ve already read an article and watched a video he provided and I offered rebuttals and then got the run around telling me to read more.

It’s okay to speak for yourself you know?

If they were genuinely asking I might have been willing to answer, but their first post itt is calling Anarchists 'special' & disconnected from reality.

Peter Gelderloos - Anarchy Works

Chapter 2. Decisions

2.1 How will decisions be made?

2.2 How will decisions be enforced?

2.3 Who will settle disputes?

An Anarchist FAQ

Section I: What would an anarchist society look like?

^^answers there if someone is lurking and wondering. I would suggest reading 'Anarchy Works' for anyone interested, and if you want to look further go through the FAQ; links in OP.

Economists believe wealth is created through trade. In an anarchist society, communities will be able to freely trade with each other, except the benefits gained by said trade can be adapted to what the people want rather than profit maximizing initiatives

I’ve got some criticisms but I appreciate the well thought out comment my man.

I’m actually not an anarchist only because I struggle to see many people getting over their ethnic tensions. However I do believe in an ideal world anarchism would work fine. But more specifically, I believe that every communist state wouldn’t have actually led to a withering away of the state like they claim it would have

I used to hate on anarchism so much and think it was super childish but honestly if everyone was an anarchist we’d all be living a lot better

You came in here calling anarchists 'special' You're basically trolling. Someone in here came with a genuine curiosity and I "spoke for myself" when answering while also providing the same introductory text.

Victimless "crimes" are not crimes in an anarchist society, people police themselves. If you violate someones independent freedom you get dealt with. "Laws" would not be a thing, it would be rules everyone in said society would have voted on and continuously vote giving consent to enforce. In an Anarchist society our relationships with each other will have been rebuilt because right now humanity operates under the state, hierarchy, capitalism & selfishness. In an Anarchist society we would be operating under solidarity, mutual aid/respect, egalitarianism, feminism, whatever you want to call it.

I was one of the first to this thread and I was getting the party started with some good ol trash talk.

That being said, I’ve spent too much time in this thread arguing with you guys to be a troll.

Like I said, anarchy would work on a small scale but on a large scale it wouldn’t work. How would you organize people to vote? Would it be a certain time of year that everyone agrees on? Who’s going to man the jails? Where would they vote? Who protects the legitimacy of the voting process? Don’t want people voting twice. Who’s going to hold those in charge of maintaining the voting process accountable?

You can say people will do this or that but it’s not that simple. Order and hierarchy isn’t for nothing. It has a utilitarian purpose.

If you want someone to do things for you for free, go to this thread.

It's not laws that create order. It's freedom that creates order. Laws are designed to disrupt what is natural. Laws are designed to disrupt the equilibrium causing disequilibrium, inequality, inequity, imbalance of what is natural, intolerance and injustice. Every human can actually feel when they are not free, when something is not fair and when something is not logical and when they need to step in to help another soul, human or not. We know this because we observed babies and infants and all of these concepts are already in place from the start.

Moral growth is promoted when we allow little ones to act on their instincts. - Dr Peter Gray
psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201809/infants-instincts-help-share-and-comfort

Those aren't things that we have to learn, they are inert and are instinctual skills that have evolved in humans for millions of years. Anarchists are not in the business of ruling based on laws. We are in the business of ruling based on justice. There is a difference.

Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein is a good argument for anarchy. It illustrates how governments have always used fear to manipulate the masses, gain more power over their people and push for policies that people would never agree to in peaceful times. This abuse of power happens regardless of political spectrum. The right spreads fear of terrorism, national security and foreigners undermining their values and the status quo. The left spreads fear of health care, retirement, and social safety. We are being told that my god, if we don't give up our rights and freedom to make these decisions for ourselves society will collapse and we'll end up with "anarchy." The reality is ever since we put the government in charge of these issues (left or right) it has made them far worse.

Voluntary Socialism by Francis Dashwood Tandy provides an alternative. He proposes that we don't need a political socialism but rather a cultural socialism where people's belief in social and economic equality is ingrained into society, so that there won't be a need to use force aka government. Proponents of this theory say that the government has actually been hindering this cultural evolution because it would reduce the influence and power of the political elite. As the government steps in to do more and more of what is expected of every individual to do so by themselves, on their own initiative, out of compassion for others and a sense of fairness, people grow more and more apathetic of each other. Instead of helping each other out, people just point you at whatever government agency can help you. Instead of being there for one another, people just point you at whatever d*** you need to numb whatever you are going through. Instead of everyone doing their part to help the environment, we are waiting for politicians to pass trillion dollar bills that will achieve little. Instead of solving problems normally through human-human interactions, we call the cops so they can ruin the lives of our neighbors and sometimes even end their lives. You get the pattern. Having the government as a middleman has made us lazy to take the initiative to improve the world around us and what's worse, those of us who do take initiative are met with cynicism from both left and right. Everyone is just waiting for the next election to vote for whoever is promising to fix their issues and then forget about it for another 2-4 years.

I'm gonna read VS, sounds interesting!

I agree with the gist of what you've typed though, sounds like common sense.

Shock Doctrine is a goodie

No disrespect but this is typical political rhetoric with no meaning. Freedom creates order? Laws are designed to disrupt what is natural?

What is “natural” anyways?

Have you seen toddlers? They’re s*** heads. Most criminals with antisocial behavior are s*** head toddlers that never learned to grow up and act out. That’s why we have laws.

Not ruling based on laws but justice.. ? Another nonstatement.

I’m seeing a pattern with anarchists. They speak at face value but when it comes to the nitty gritty they fold.

Now this the type of content I can get into.

The "nitty gritty" is already answered because we've already studied this and Anarchism is tied to our natural state in the world.

It's common sense things that communities already have done. The three largest autonomous places have been Catalonia, Rojava & Chiapas. Rojava has a population of like 2 million people. The Zapatistas (upwards of 400,000 people nowadays) municipalities are anarchist communities that have bottom up votes and voted delegates to account for each communities problems. They have assemblies and everyone over the age of 12 has an equal say in community issues and vote to reach the consensus. Developing Zapatista Autonomy: Conflict and NGO Involvement in Rebel Chiapas by Niels Barmeyer is a pretty indepth look at these municipalities in terms of day to day and overall structure.

No disrespect, but the questions you're asking are face value with answers right in front of your face while having a condescending tone about it. You're basically asking how are people going to have common sense in an Anarchist community.

Anarchist communities contrary to uninformed belief are extremely organized. They are active proof of how these communities are doing just fine. Have you studied the Spanish Civil War? Do you see what it took to take Catalonia?

You should have kept that reply in the drafts. Saying criminals are just immature is the most misinformed, outdated problematic take ever and why our "justice" system is cheeks.

My post was already long without getting into the "nitty-gritty". We just started this thread and you're already jumping to conclusions. I said in another post that I will post a bunch of content that goes into the detail, what I said is just an intro. If you don't like it that's fine, there are many other Anarchist points of view and you will see us disagreeing here because at the heart of Anarchy is our love for individualism. We realize that we thrive when we have a diversity of ideas and that's the great thing about it. I'm not in the business of shoveling my views down your throat and conform like some other threads I shall not name but I hope you're aware that there's a pattern in your line of reasoning and it's based on fear and misinformation of the big A-word. I'm not trying to convince people. I'm trying to understand people and find the pattern of their needs and wants, how they interact with each other and the environment and find the universal baseline of what being human is. It's an entirely different approach from the other philosophies because it is mindful. And that's all I can hope for you, to be mindful, being able to look at the world outside of the narratives you grew up with.