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  • ruckus
    Nov 13, 2022

    really like the idea of this service

    will anyone use? probably not

  • Nov 13, 2022
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    Zokkon

    it's not new at all but yes

    apparently my instance is gonna retire soon so idk if i need to make a new account or what

    That’s crazy. I’m just gonna do some more research and eventually choose one. You got a recommendation for just a general type / popular one I can join?

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    Lil Uzi Horizontal

    That’s crazy. I’m just gonna do some more research and eventually choose one. You got a recommendation for just a general type / popular one I can join?

    This is a pretty general one

    mastodon.online

    I'm not too up to date though

    joinmastodon.org/servers

    instances.social

    fediverse.party/en/portal/servers

    can be used to find more

  • Zokkon

    This is a pretty general one

    https://mastodon.online/

    I'm not too up to date though

    https://joinmastodon.org/servers

    https://instances.social/

    https://fediverse.party/en/portal/servers/

    can be used to find more

    Appreciate it

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    U can create ur own instance which means u r hosting the computer than runs the code to allow users to see a website at the url u pay for
    And u r also responsible for storing files and data and things i believe
    So if a user uploads a file u r the one who stores the file somewhere

    So theres not one particular spot all users have their data stored, theres a ton of servers owned by various ppl that handle it, whether they outsource it to some company to do or run it out of their basement lol

    And the person running the instance also has the responsibility then of making sure that their db logins arent stupid, for instance, and things like that. I think if mastodon finds ur instance rly insecure, they will themselves start trying to advise ppl to not join ur instance (but can not physically prevent it)

    That also means u can kick people from ur own thing or mute then as u wish since u have a lot of power, and mastodon does that intentionally as each instance has its own mods and stuff that the admin (you) can pick

    If u do not create ur own instance, some rando is the person doing it for you and has ultimate say on what goes or doesnt go in that instance. I think mastodon itself also manages an instance (the biggest one), but u dont need to join that one

    The instance owner can say what other instances or things it wants to communicate with and which it doesnt as well— theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentralized-social-network-gab-migration-fediverse-app-blocking

    So ultimately a mastodon server and discord server may be sort of similar in that discord server owners have some amt of self governance ability, mastodon owners completely self govern since they own everything physically afaik. Theoretically if the feds found something illegal happening on a mastodon server, they would need to find the server owner, rather than going to mastodon itself.

    Ultimately u shld make sure u trust the owner of whatever instance u join’s admins to maintain ur data and what u post and such, and to maintain the server overall if theres important system updates (eg security updates), to moderate the server against stuff u dont want associated with u and stuff like that ig

  • Nov 14, 2022

    Fl free to correct me where im wrong anyone but i think thats abt right ???

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    I feel like also the og demographic for mastodon r the super nerds LOL
    Like the type of ppl that read everything i just wrote and go wow we really need that in the world

  • Nov 14, 2022

    What are the differences between this and twitter

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    i am sasuke

    I feel like also the og demographic for mastodon r the super nerds LOL
    Like the type of ppl that read everything i just wrote and go wow we really need that in the world

    Well I am technically proficient enough to understand what you typed out, and also it gives me pause. I’m now pondering the difference between giving my data to some random person/team and giving it to some corporation. I think at least corporations provide an anchor, where you can bring a lawsuit against them or something or congress has a tiny bit of oversight.

    Idk.

    Thanks for sharing.

    I am really anxious to see what Jack from twitter brings with BlueSky and if it is more user friendly then I definitely will be on it.

  • Nov 15, 2022
    Jason

    Do you not know how Twitter started? It was originally seen as silly for a regular person to tweet, it was perceived as something only celebrities "should" be doing, and eventually that went away. The celebrities are what made people attracted to it in the first place.
    Also, sidenote, it's so funny to see someone say they're "doing their Googles" in regards to this type of discussion, as if that's valid research. It's ultimately the same entity running all of these companies. So yeah, do your Googles. Find out everything they want you to know about themselves. You're being fed (double entendre).

    you and I know both know indoctrination doesn't work through a simple google search smh.

  • Nov 15, 2022
    Lil Uzi Horizontal

    Well I am technically proficient enough to understand what you typed out, and also it gives me pause. I’m now pondering the difference between giving my data to some random person/team and giving it to some corporation. I think at least corporations provide an anchor, where you can bring a lawsuit against them or something or congress has a tiny bit of oversight.

    Idk.

    Thanks for sharing.

    I am really anxious to see what Jack from twitter brings with BlueSky and if it is more user friendly then I definitely will be on it.

    you would have to physically host a server if you wanted to be an admin.

    there are some resources for that sort of thing too.

    it's not twitter where it's randos on a website. ideally it's people you know and trust. there are bigger servers too if that's what you're into as well.

    sort of like a group chat with your own moderation rules.

    the idea is that you can deploy an instance and run it yourself.

  • Nov 15, 2022
    i am sasuke

    U can create ur own instance which means u r hosting the computer than runs the code to allow users to see a website at the url u pay for
    And u r also responsible for storing files and data and things i believe
    So if a user uploads a file u r the one who stores the file somewhere

    So theres not one particular spot all users have their data stored, theres a ton of servers owned by various ppl that handle it, whether they outsource it to some company to do or run it out of their basement lol

    And the person running the instance also has the responsibility then of making sure that their db logins arent stupid, for instance, and things like that. I think if mastodon finds ur instance rly insecure, they will themselves start trying to advise ppl to not join ur instance (but can not physically prevent it)

    That also means u can kick people from ur own thing or mute then as u wish since u have a lot of power, and mastodon does that intentionally as each instance has its own mods and stuff that the admin (you) can pick

    If u do not create ur own instance, some rando is the person doing it for you and has ultimate say on what goes or doesnt go in that instance. I think mastodon itself also manages an instance (the biggest one), but u dont need to join that one

    The instance owner can say what other instances or things it wants to communicate with and which it doesnt as well— https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentralized-social-network-gab-migration-fediverse-app-blocking

    So ultimately a mastodon server and discord server may be sort of similar in that discord server owners have some amt of self governance ability, mastodon owners completely self govern since they own everything physically afaik. Theoretically if the feds found something illegal happening on a mastodon server, they would need to find the server owner, rather than going to mastodon itself.

    Ultimately u shld make sure u trust the owner of whatever instance u join’s admins to maintain ur data and what u post and such, and to maintain the server overall if theres important system updates (eg security updates), to moderate the server against stuff u dont want associated with u and stuff like that ig

    there's a github. with a faq...

    I'm thinking OP could add that but there are a bunch of things to consider with Mastodon.

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    Lil Uzi Horizontal

    Well I am technically proficient enough to understand what you typed out, and also it gives me pause. I’m now pondering the difference between giving my data to some random person/team and giving it to some corporation. I think at least corporations provide an anchor, where you can bring a lawsuit against them or something or congress has a tiny bit of oversight.

    Idk.

    Thanks for sharing.

    I am really anxious to see what Jack from twitter brings with BlueSky and if it is more user friendly then I definitely will be on it.

    The difference i think is corporations are definitely selling ur data

    Mastodon super nerds have generally very strong feelings against selling user data (plus theres no ads on mastodon)

    But i think if u started a mastodon server u probably could sell ur user’ emails and stuff like that if u wanted—that is to say i doubt its specifically impossible to sell user data? Cld be wrong

    But again, mastodon supernerds generally wouldnt i think solely on principle

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    Wld also note that ive seen mastodon servers w like actual sysadmins and stuff

    So i think the characterization that all servers r run by any joe shmoe is incorrect
    But any joe shmoe theoretically could run one

    So id vet a little basically

    I also wld note im not on mastodon i just looked into it a couple months ago and found the whole concept interesting but not particularly attractive to me

  • Nov 15, 2022
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    i am sasuke

    Wld also note that ive seen mastodon servers w like actual sysadmins and stuff

    So i think the characterization that all servers r run by any joe shmoe is incorrect
    But any joe shmoe theoretically could run one

    So id vet a little basically

    I also wld note im not on mastodon i just looked into it a couple months ago and found the whole concept interesting but not particularly attractive to me

    That may be where I'm at but I might toss a couple links into the original post of this thread

  • Nov 15, 2022
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    Lil Uzi Horizontal

    That may be where I'm at but I might toss a couple links into the original post of this thread

    random things like mastodon server admins can see your DMs might turn users off.

    the main issue for me is that I would want to know the instance admin personally. best to have it be an actual social network with people you know in real life (bots are not welcome)

  • Ygor Sunny

    random things like mastodon server admins can see your DMs might turn users off.

    the main issue for me is that I would want to know the instance admin personally. best to have it be an actual social network with people you know in real life (bots are not welcome)

    Its all wild and new but it actually sparks me thinking about data and who can see my s*** a lot more, so its definitely a good thing. Thanks for your contributions to the thread btw

  • Nov 16, 2022
    Altar

    I just can't believe that Elon fumbled this so badly. Twitter had issues but they were minor compared to the s***show he's created. Will go down as possibly the worst business decision in history. Truly an idiot savant

    Bro didn’t even fumble, he caught the ball and threw it directly into the river. It’s almost as if he’s purposefully trying to destroy his investment

  • Nov 16, 2022

    I feel servers ain't gonna work

    It's gotta be simple for the gen pop to flock to it

  • Nov 16, 2022

    Elon buying it just to ruin the longest running social media network we’ve had is some lame ass s*** tbh

    Don’t think I can get heavy into a new social media unless everyone leaves Twitter for it or it’s a new feature with it

  • Nov 16, 2022

    Just my opinion but Mastodon trash it sad what happening to twitter but no need to lie to ourselves

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    I could easily host an instance. I would just have to see what equipment I have available.

  • Nov 18, 2022
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    if engineering leadership at discord is worth their salt, they'd have all hands on deck to try to pivot and take as much from twitter as they can, they are perfectly positioned. mastodon and the broader fediverse are not a sustainable alternative to what is currently in place and it never will be without centralizing in some way

  • Nov 18, 2022
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    arrrg

    if engineering leadership at discord is worth their salt, they'd have all hands on deck to try to pivot and take as much from twitter as they can, they are perfectly positioned. mastodon and the broader fediverse are not a sustainable alternative to what is currently in place and it never will be without centralizing in some way

    considering how popular whatsapp and telegram are (and discord itself) they don't need to change much, that format is clearly the future of the medium, that's where the people are, but what i mean is that i think they'd need to add something to challenge established social media order sooner, and get it out quickly while this opportunity is still ripe.