Mango

2y

The consolidated media who were passing off identical reports and using the same unique phrases to cover this stuff. Have you been paying attention

Yuzzy

2y

Ah yeah I mean that's nothing new innit. I've been getting my info on this from residents so have not been reading the media's reporting

americana

2y

SF saw decreased violent crime, property crime, theft, and homelessness rates under this DA this is proof of the media being able to construct any narrative they want

Mango

2y

That's great but they're also inundated with this stuff and made to feel unsafe then sold a bill of goods where the only difference is repudiation after the fact. They're gonna put in a more reactionary DA and stop feeding everyone fearmongering. Nobody will talk about the crime there after this. Crime goes up under those DAs and they just hire more police. There's never going to be a break from the circumstances actually driving crime in this cycle.

Mango

2y

That's great but they're also inundated with this stuff and made to feel unsafe then sold a bill of goods where the only difference is repudiation after the fact. They're gonna put in a more reactionary DA and stop feeding everyone fearmongering. Nobody will talk about the crime there after this. Crime goes up under those DAs and they just hire more police. There's never going to be a break from the circumstances actually driving crime in this cycle.

gabapentin

2y

like i said earlier itt, chesa is different than a krasner or typical soros DA

he actively gives off the impression he thinks caring about crime or disorder is not even just reactionary but silly

which is his prerogative, and perhaps he's even correct about that, but the people simply don't want the officials they elect to have what they see as obvious contempt for their concerns and more sympathy for unrepentant violent criminals than the square law-abiding electorate

if the "disorder in SF" narrative is overblown, the "right wing money/press misleading people" thing is equally overblown

they tried just as hard to recall newsom and it failed horribly. chesa is a special case because the things they printed about him led people's attention to things they actually found repulsive and dispositive to their rejection of him

Mango

2y

if the "disorder in SF" narrative is overblown, the "right wing money/press misleading people" thing is equally overblown

You're going to watch this guy leave, someone take his place, and the press attention is going to completely change regardless of outcomes. The conditions won't be changed. Economic contraction incoming. Only then it won't be a rejection of "woke communism" or whatever you think this is. A single personality can't interrupt the cycle. That's all this is. Seems obvious to me. But hey, we'll see.

Mango

2y

if the "disorder in SF" narrative is overblown, the "right wing money/press misleading people" thing is equally overblown

You're going to watch this guy leave, someone take his place, and the press attention is going to completely change regardless of outcomes. The conditions won't be changed. Economic contraction incoming. Only then it won't be a rejection of "woke communism" or whatever you think this is. A single personality can't interrupt the cycle. That's all this is. Seems obvious to me. But hey, we'll see.

gabapentin

2y

i didnt say anything counter to any of that, and I did agree that the disorder in SF narrative was overblown, and never said that the DA position was actually empirically important.

im simply saying that with regards to the recall, boudin failed to convince people that he was truly invested in the social contract that undergirds order. he and people invested in his progressive prosecuting project failed to convince people that part of a good life includes things like people shoplifting hundreds of dollars from walgreens in broad daylight, and then that walgreens shutting down entirely.

is that objectively a big deal in a financial sense? no, it's a rounding error for walgreens. but it's not "simping for walgreens" to acknowledge that people, even before being told to think so by the chronicle, found it a dereliction of the City's duty to allow this to happen.

sometimes politicians -- all people really --have to make sacrifices and concessions in order to accomplish more important goals, even if it was in response to an overblown narrative crafted out of a handful of viral videos

there was no sense that boudin was capable of moderating or communicating that any sort of compromise was desirable

it is a cope for people (not saying you) to say that he lost because of the disingenuous narrative of the right wing press.

that was certainly a factor, but boudin was ultimately sunk by his own flaws in successfully rebutting the claims against him by either proving them false or convincing the public that the true claims about his policies highlighted desirable outcomes -- or being willing to change his policies by giving up a nickel to get a quarter

frenchpress

2y

he’s not just a personality, he’s the guy who had the most influence/power in saying whether or not ppl committing crimes over and over in SF would see any, literally any sort of recourse for their actions. bruh came in like he was gonna try the whole rehabilitation approach to crime but by the end of it he was just choosing to not prosecute and choosing to not actually effect any rehabilitation to change the criminals’ disposition/actions. he just let them do crime again

Mango

2y

A single position without broader changes is a personality. Holding a single position of power at the end of the cycle is important yes, but I never saw any evidence on these all being repeat or paroled offenders. The conditions there bred the circumstances for crime to thrive. Nobody is addressing those. The prison system doesn't relieve that. It suppresses it.

gabapentin

2y

i didnt say anything counter to any of that, and I did agree that the disorder in SF narrative was overblown, and never said that the DA position was actually empirically important.

im simply saying that with regards to the recall, boudin failed to convince people that he was truly invested in the social contract that undergirds order. he and people invested in his progressive prosecuting project failed to convince people that part of a good life includes things like people shoplifting hundreds of dollars from walgreens in broad daylight, and then that walgreens shutting down entirely.

is that objectively a big deal in a financial sense? no, it's a rounding error for walgreens. but it's not "simping for walgreens" to acknowledge that people, even before being told to think so by the chronicle, found it a dereliction of the City's duty to allow this to happen.

sometimes politicians -- all people really --have to make sacrifices and concessions in order to accomplish more important goals, even if it was in response to an overblown narrative crafted out of a handful of viral videos

there was no sense that boudin was capable of moderating or communicating that any sort of compromise was desirable

it is a cope for people (not saying you) to say that he lost because of the disingenuous narrative of the right wing press.

that was certainly a factor, but boudin was ultimately sunk by his own flaws in successfully rebutting the claims against him by either proving them false or convincing the public that the true claims about his policies highlighted desirable outcomes -- or being willing to change his policies by giving up a nickel to get a quarter

Mango

2y

it is a cope for people (not saying you) to say that he lost because of the disingenuous narrative of the right wing press.

Not sure how it's a cope. We live in a very malleable democracy that is shaped by the media whose interests largely align with this liberal penitentiary system. I'm sure a lot of locals would also rather square these people away in cells instead of going through what amounts to a political revolution to reshape the conditions that produce them. It's just an admission. You can't have a "radical" DA. The DA is there to dust everything under the rug and keep the lid on this failing public policy. It's a square peg in a round hole.

And where this road leads seems obvious to me. San Francisco has been rapidly gentrified and has a lot of wealthy tech people. It has a lot of homeless and crime is on the rise as the economy is contracting. Are any solutions being offered? Because hiring a more punitive DA sounds like the actual cope. Coping with the consequences through imprisonment. That comfortable stability seems more tenuous than ever. Everyone knows this country is in decline.

Mango

2y

it is a cope for people (not saying you) to say that he lost because of the disingenuous narrative of the right wing press.

Not sure how it's a cope. We live in a very malleable democracy that is shaped by the media whose interests largely align with this liberal penitentiary system. I'm sure a lot of locals would also rather square these people away in cells instead of going through what amounts to a political revolution to reshape the conditions that produce them. It's just an admission. You can't have a "radical" DA. The DA is there to dust everything under the rug and keep the lid on this failing public policy. It's a square peg in a round hole.

And where this road leads seems obvious to me. San Francisco has been rapidly gentrified and has a lot of wealthy tech people. It has a lot of homeless and crime is on the rise as the economy is contracting. Are any solutions being offered? Because hiring a more punitive DA sounds like the actual cope. Coping with the consequences through imprisonment. That comfortable stability seems more tenuous than ever. Everyone knows this country is in decline.

gabapentin

2y

https://www.sfchronicle.com/election/article/Chesa-Boudin-ousted-as-San-Francisco-District-17226641.php

San Francisco voters overwhelmingly voted to remove District Attorney Chesa Boudin from office on Tuesday, favoring a recall effort that argued his progressive reforms were too lenient and made the city less safe.

Boudin trailed by about 20 percentage points Tuesday evening, according to the latest figures from city elections officials. Around 60% of San Franciscans who cast ballots voted to recall him.

Boudin will be removed from office 10 days after the Board of Supervisors formally accepts the election results. The city’s more moderate mayor, London Breed, will choose his immediate replacement, and voters will elect a new district attorney in November.

The result comes as little surprise to residents following numerous polls, almost all of which predicted a decisive defeat for Boudin.

The results capped off a furious debate over crime and criminal justice in San Francisco, with the two sides fighting over Boudin’s approach to incarceration and rehabilitation and his leadership. As his supporters lauded his efforts to find alternatives to jails and prisons — which he said had failed the public for decades — his detractors slammed him as too permissive.

Boudin will depart the office after serving two and a half years of his four-year term.

Supporters of recalling Boudin erupted in cheers and chants of “Recall Chesa” as they toasted drinks after first results showed Boudin’s ouster. People embraced and said they were going to cry, overcome with emotion.

Boudin arrived at his watch party after the measure had already been called, making his entrance to chants of “Chesa!”

“This is a movement not a moment,” he said, standing on top of a keg to be seen and heard.

“Our cause is righteous,” he said. “And we have already won! And we have already won! We are part of a national movement that understands we can never incarcerate our way out of poverty.”

Recall campaign chair Mary Jung, who described herself as a “lifelong Democrat,” said she started the campaign 14 months ago because she believed San Francisco was in trouble, needed change and would support a “Democratic-led campaign for a safer San Francisco.”

“San Franciscans from every neighborhood and background sent a clear message today,” she said. “Voters said loud and clear that they want a district attorney who prioritizes public safety for every community.”

Two women whose names have arisen as potential replacements were at the recall party. Brooke Jenkins, a former prosecutor who resigned from Boudin’s office and became a campaign spokesperson demurred when asked whether she would put her name forward or run. “My goal was to help this campaign and I’m content,” Jenkins said.

What do we think KTT2 politics sxn bros? Is this the first shot in the Anti-Woke Thermidor? Or is this an isolated incident of one Soros DA dealing with the particularities of one specific city who bit off more than he could chew (not a joke about his teeth)?