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  • Jan 31, 2022
    ARCADE GOON

    "there is an economic theory which claims capitalism is so efficient that it will inevitably destroy itself, so it is likely to happen"

    This is exactly what Marxists say lol

    Capitalism's success destroys itself from within gradually

    yeah but what i’m referring to is creative destruction by schumpeter (although yes it is based on Karl Marx)

    he was more so into what comes next, and how can we save the system, rather then the destruction of it breeding another system (socialism, communism what have you)

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    hot pancakes

    i’d argue that owning a house at 18 isn’t viable because at 18 you (generally) hardly have any money to buy your own food because you’ve been dependent on your parents your whole life and haven’t had any real world experience yet

    times are different now, but i’d take rent over living like a feudal peasant, especially because they were basically indentured servants to the land / lords / royals

    at least you have to ability to choose which type of place you’d like to live in, make try out different areas of the country (or even world)

    imagine having to buy a house everytime you wanted to move to a new state. the process is exhausting already. it’s much simpler to contact a landlord and rent than go through the whole sales process, which includes finding someone willing to pay for your property

    But people in the 60’s and 70’s could buy a house in their early 20’s because…..

  • Jan 31, 2022
    americana

    But people in the 60’s and 70’s could buy a house in their early 20’s because…..

    Capitalists have to see the world as static as they possibly can because if they admit that this current state isn't permanent it could possibly be changed for the better

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    ARCADE GOON

    Marx wrote:

    To prevent possible misunderstanding, a word. I paint the capitalist and the landlord in no sense couleur de rose (i.e., seen through rose-tinted glasses). But here individuals are dealt with only in so far as they are the personifications of economic categories, embodiments of particular class-relations and class-interests. My standpoint, from which the evolution of the economic formation of society is viewed as a process of natural history, can less than any other make the individual responsible for relations whose creature he socially remains, however much he may subjectively raise himself above them.

    TLDR: DONT HATE THE PLAYA...HATE THE GAME


    This the part I was talking about Not sure if I understood everything in the Manifesto but this really struck a chord with me

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    americana

    This argument has been debunked more times than I can count

    Humanity is naturally altruistic and we are the most social beings to ever populate this earth. The idea that each human is inherently individualistic and has no interest in their community outside of potential personal benefit is not only well disproven but also illogical

    Isn't a lot of individualist thought a modern invention too?

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    Jan 31, 2022

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  • Jan 31, 2022
    Villainous B

    Isn't a lot of individualist thought a modern invention too?

    Yes it’s mostly the result of the enlightenment and ideas predicated by Voltaire and others

  • Jan 31, 2022

    All op threads terrible

  • Jan 31, 2022

    It’s also funny because Marxism is an individualistic approach that’s far more logical because it gives autonomy to every work over their share of labor and doesn’t depend on structural violence to enforce selfish advancement

    Capitalism doesn’t do this

  • Jan 31, 2022
    BlueChew Sean


    This the part I was talking about Not sure if I understood everything in the Manifesto but this really struck a chord with me

    Powerful

    Keep in mind that private property is not the same as personal property in this context

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    BlueChew Sean


    This the part I was talking about Not sure if I understood everything in the Manifesto but this really struck a chord with me

  • Jan 31, 2022
    paradise valley

    Yeah. That steely gaze really comes across in my posts now!

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    hot pancakes

    a lot of it has more do with human nature than capitalism (imo)

    humans will always want to chase a bag or be part of a scheme to get rich

    now if we live in a society with all things equal and everyone gets paid essentially the same, where does the innovation come from?

    this is where me and communists / socialists heavily disagree. they think people will innovate just to innovate, all of the time

    to some extent, yes, but i’d argue the drive for becoming rich lights the spark under more people than just innovating for personal enjoyment. or even worse, they innovate for themselves and don’t share because there’s nothing to gain

    humans are inherently selfish - although i admit we’ve evolved to this - but in reality there’s no going back without another 100s to 1000s of years of reprogramming

    This going to sound very tinfoil hatty so bear with me But I recently realized that the only letter in the alphabet that's capitalized when it stands alone is the letter that refers to oneself. "i'm currently posting on KTT today" still makes sense and you know exactly what that sentence is communicating. Why does "I" always need to be capitalized like that This is engrained in us from a very early and impressionable age.

    I feel like there are things, especially in Western culture, that condition us to be more individualistic and selfish

  • Jan 31, 2022
    BlueChew Sean

    This going to sound very tinfoil hatty so bear with me But I recently realized that the only letter in the alphabet that's capitalized when it stands alone is the letter that refers to oneself. "i'm currently posting on KTT today" still makes sense and you know exactly what that sentence is communicating. Why does "I" always need to be capitalized like that This is engrained in us from a very early and impressionable age.

    I feel like there are things, especially in Western culture, that condition us to be more individualistic and selfish

    Lmaoo I remember I told my hs English teacher that English sucks bc it promotes selfishness for that reason and that German is better bc it capitalizes "Sie" (=you)

  • Jan 31, 2022

    Yea I’m not walking to a golf course just to walk a golf course

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    Bo Ceephus

    Hey you guys like my new avy?

    I feel it gives me a cool, edgy vibe that posters will take seriously and will really absorb the wisdom I'm dropping on em

    Precipitous

    You should remove a certain part like those other photos.

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    Villainous B

    Simple question, why is technological innovation seen as an unambiguous good?
    People are so hung on how small they can get their iPhone bezel to be while happily advocating against political innovation for example.
    Tech bros are making billions of forcing everything onto the Internet and marketing it as green

    you're citing iPhone bezels but don't you realize how far innovation spans in society?

    medicine
    food production
    transportation

    quite literally everything around us was created because of the incentive to innovate

    who the hell wants to START a business to make the same amount of money as the people they employ? There is absolutely no incentive

  • Jan 31, 2022

    As long as you ban bicycles too. And metaverse-gulag all its proponents. Trains get a pass solely because the annoying train people overlap with cyclists is a circle

    Then we got a deal 🤝

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    Bestowed

    You should remove a certain part like those other photos.

    I just got what you meant lmfao

    The D***lips Dread is legendary and iconic

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    hot pancakes

    a lot of it has more do with human nature than capitalism (imo)

    humans will always want to chase a bag or be part of a scheme to get rich

    now if we live in a society with all things equal and everyone gets paid essentially the same, where does the innovation come from?

    this is where me and communists / socialists heavily disagree. they think people will innovate just to innovate, all of the time

    to some extent, yes, but i’d argue the drive for becoming rich lights the spark under more people than just innovating for personal enjoyment. or even worse, they innovate for themselves and don’t share because there’s nothing to gain

    humans are inherently selfish - although i admit we’ve evolved to this - but in reality there’s no going back without another 100s to 1000s of years of reprogramming

    this is such a key concept that they don't want to understand lol

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    Bo Ceephus

    I just got what you meant lmfao

    The D***lips Dread is legendary and iconic

    lol that s*** was confusing

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    Bo Ceephus

    I just got what you meant lmfao

    The D***lips Dread is legendary and iconic

    Do you take user requests btw? There's a certain pic I'd like you to do it with

  • Jan 31, 2022
    Bestowed

    lol that s*** was confusing

    What I was referring to before I edited was I had an avy of a dog in a French costume but his d*** was in the profile picture because... it's a dog.

    People were LIVID about it for months

  • Jan 31, 2022
    Twist Your Cap

    this is such a key concept that they don't want to understand lol

    I think you’re totally misconstruing the concept of socialism if you think “all things are equal and people are going to be paid the same

  • Jan 31, 2022
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    BlueChew Sean

    Do you take user requests btw? There's a certain pic I'd like you to do it with

    I might do requests sometime soon. But I'm currently just on my phone so I can't do s*** till I get off vacation anyway

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