herald

4mo

all the walking on eggshells kumbaya discourse is cool but i still feel like the "we all Black" mantra is being misconstrued as if its a domestic response to Black people / self described FBAs meant to minimize their heritage when thats just largely not the case

also this gon sound callous but like.. again, outside of yal legacy of contributions to this country - why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan? i get the whole "nobody else fw us and we were dispossessed" angle but after centuries of systemic disenfranchisement and Fourth World conditions within the US.. it's giving stockholm. every people has the right to denominate theyself but that doesnt exempt u from critique. can yal not imagine a better name for how u wish to be seen and understood?

the other elephant in the room is all this whining about being antagonized by caribbean / african immigrants while simultaneously denying those same communities have also been the subject of similar abuse ('bootyscratcher'), violence (Oluwatoyin Salau) and mass disinformation (its a reason people grow up thinking africa is a country of tumbleweeds with no infrastructure) from Black AmeriKkkans upon assimilating into this country. yes, the interconnected civil rights struggle made it possible for many to even seek a "better life" here BUT i find it really rich that the wealthiest population of African descent in the world who actively reap the material benefits (albeit minimal) of living in an imperial core, doesnt have the humility to understand that pride in deliberate association is also complicity.

herald

4mo

all the walking on eggshells kumbaya discourse is cool but i still feel like the "we all Black" mantra is being misconstrued as if its a domestic response to Black people / self described FBAs meant to minimize their heritage when thats just largely not the case

also this gon sound callous but like.. again, outside of yal legacy of contributions to this country - why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan? i get the whole "nobody else fw us and we were dispossessed" angle but after centuries of systemic disenfranchisement and Fourth World conditions within the US.. it's giving stockholm. every people has the right to denominate theyself but that doesnt exempt u from critique. can yal not imagine a better name for how u wish to be seen and understood?

the other elephant in the room is all this whining about being antagonized by caribbean / african immigrants while simultaneously denying those same communities have also been the subject of similar abuse ('bootyscratcher'), violence (Oluwatoyin Salau) and mass disinformation (its a reason people grow up thinking africa is a country of tumbleweeds with no infrastructure) from Black AmeriKkkans upon assimilating into this country. yes, the interconnected civil rights struggle made it possible for many to even seek a "better life" here BUT i find it really rich that the wealthiest population of African descent in the world who actively reap the material benefits (albeit minimal) of living in an imperial core, doesnt have the humility to understand that pride in deliberate association is also complicity.

TUNDRA IV

4mo

Kinda of insane to use AmeriKkkans given who created that term and why

TUNDRA IV

4mo

“why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan? i get the whole "nobody else fw us and we were dispossessed" angle but after centuries of systemic disenfranchisement and Fourth World conditions within the US.. it's giving stockholm. every people has the right to denominate theyself but that doesnt exempt u from critique. can yal not imagine a better name for how u wish to be seen and understood?”

Also a bit wild given how pervasive colonialism is still running rampant across the diaspora. Niggas in government still wear wigs in the Caribbean because of the Brits. African nations had made up names and made up borders. Is the same rhetoric not also applicable to Nigerians? I mean a white man named the country.

I will say this is the most frustrating part of the conversation because it feels hypocritical at times lmao

herald

4mo

i dont disagree but now ure just resorting to whataboutism which is peak diaspora wars lol

TUNDRA IV

4mo

I mean no. You made an assertion generalizing Stockholm syndrome and I challenged it

herald

4mo

i mean i guess u can enlighten me but ion really care that much, terms can be repurposed. the point im tryna make matters more and the usage gets it across nonetheless

herald

4mo

all the walking on eggshells kumbaya discourse is cool but i still feel like the "we all Black" mantra is being misconstrued as if its a domestic response to Black people / self described FBAs meant to minimize their heritage when thats just largely not the case

also this gon sound callous but like.. again, outside of yal legacy of contributions to this country - why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan? i get the whole "nobody else fw us and we were dispossessed" angle but after centuries of systemic disenfranchisement and Fourth World conditions within the US.. it's giving stockholm. every people has the right to denominate theyself but that doesnt exempt u from critique. can yal not imagine a better name for how u wish to be seen and understood?

the other elephant in the room is all this whining about being antagonized by caribbean / african immigrants while simultaneously denying those same communities have also been the subject of similar abuse ('bootyscratcher'), violence (Oluwatoyin Salau) and mass disinformation (its a reason people grow up thinking africa is a country of tumbleweeds with no infrastructure) from Black AmeriKkkans upon assimilating into this country. yes, the interconnected civil rights struggle made it possible for many to even seek a "better life" here BUT i find it really rich that the wealthiest population of African descent in the world who actively reap the material benefits (albeit minimal) of living in an imperial core, doesnt have the humility to understand that pride in deliberate association is also complicity.

herald

4mo

u got it

Free YoungBoy

4mo

again, outside of yal legacy of contributions to this country - why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan?

I feel like this is only asked to African Americans. I never see this asked about Brazilians, Cubans or Colombians for example. For better or worse we are Americans.

goretex

4mo

this the s*** that makes me so mad because we literally built america brick by brick physically and culturally nigga i am american why do i have to denounce generations and generations of my culture because some crackers

TUNDRA IV

4mo

“why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan? i get the whole "nobody else fw us and we were dispossessed" angle but after centuries of systemic disenfranchisement and Fourth World conditions within the US.. it's giving stockholm. every people has the right to denominate theyself but that doesnt exempt u from critique. can yal not imagine a better name for how u wish to be seen and understood?”

Also a bit wild given how pervasive colonialism is still running rampant across the diaspora. Niggas in government still wear wigs in the Caribbean because of the Brits. African nations had made up names and made up borders. Is the same rhetoric not also applicable to Nigerians? I mean a white man named the country.

I will say this is the most frustrating part of the conversation because it feels hypocritical at times lmao

Free YoungBoy

4mo

again, outside of yal legacy of contributions to this country - why is there still this intense and adamant desire to identify as ameriKkkan?

I feel like this is only asked to African Americans. I never see this asked about Brazilians, Cubans or Colombians for example. For better or worse we are Americans.

goretex

4mo

this the s*** that makes me so mad because we literally built america brick by brick physically and culturally nigga i am american why do i have to denounce generations and generations of my culture because some crackers

herald

4mo

this why the other 2 paragraphs there. id rather sit with a question than isolate it from context. how many of them countries u named are neocolonial superpowers? i think living and representing a nation with that kind of legacy naturally comes with more responsibility

for better or worse we are Americans.

i just hear a lack of imagination and sunken cost fallacy in that sentence. you're more, can be more, have been more. i dont subscribe to "i ride with my dog whether right or wrong" s***, but if thats ur prerogative so be it

TUNDRA IV

4mo

You can’t be upset if you explicitly wrote something the way you did and I say hey idk about this

TUNDRA IV

4mo

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It’s not riding with your dog our people were forcefully brought here, separated from family, stripped of dignity, were raped, murdered, experimented on etc … and we made something from that. New languages, new cultural art forms, new cuisines.

I don’t even claim the American s*** like that but I’d be damn if a nigga says I can’t say I’m American because well I am?

herald

4mo

we get everything u just typed already, bemoaning it doesnt help.

nobody said u cant say ure this or that either. this how i can tell u aint really absorb wat i said in my last 2-3 posts

herald

4mo

this why the other 2 paragraphs there. id rather sit with a question than isolate it from context. how many of them countries u named are neocolonial superpowers? i think living and representing a nation with that kind of legacy naturally comes with more responsibility

for better or worse we are Americans.

i just hear a lack of imagination and sunken cost fallacy in that sentence. you're more, can be more, have been more. i dont subscribe to "i ride with my dog whether right or wrong" s***, but if thats ur prerogative so be it

Babaláwo

4mo

I think asserting an identity for Black American ethnic group is different, than proclaiming to be American.