Surprised you find Insecure a perpetrator of that. I feel like it’s completely opposite. It’s just black people living their life. It’s shows like Black•ish that feel like their primary audience is white people, so they’re constantly trying to inform you on what they think being black is.

Insecure will switch in and out of "performative blackness" as a pun or to make a line/scene funny and it's f***ing corny.

I have never seen Black-ish so I can't comment on that. The new blavity black crowd is just aggravating and insulting.

I like Insecure for other aspects but they've managed to get worth with that cringey stuff. It's not always about commentary it's how they go about the dialogue. And it was proven Insecure's audience is overwhelming... Not black.

Black•ish has like 1 dark skin guy that I can think of. Grown•ish is just going through an identity crisis. They’re trying to give the college they’re at HBCU vibes... but it isn’t an HBCU. Ryan Destiny is the only dark skin character they’ve added to the show.
It’s a common thing among Kenya Barris shows

I agree with what other people said though, they’re a whole lot of shows available that do showcase black in all its shades. BET has Boomerang which isn’t great, but it’s a quality show. Haven’t been able to check out Twenties and The Games We Play yet.

Amazon recently released Selah and the Spades which had a dark skin queen as the lead. She was on Greenleaf iirc.

But yea there are a few other shows I’m missing definitely, but the representation imo is there. If you want to narrow it down to major networks then that would be more of an argument.

Can’t speak to the numbers demographic wise, but as far as authenticity on being black, and the everyday life that comes with it, I feel like Insecure & Atlanta are top 2.
Edit: Queen Sugar up there too

I wasn't really commentating on authenticity to black life via the theme and plots of the show, I was talking about the characters. Even then what does that even mean? "Authenticity on being black", for who? All black people don't experience blackness the same. That's really a broad generalization and like I said the fact "blackness" is that complex yet some creatives do lowkey modern minstrel s*** is insulting. Your momma was not making chitlins in the house. You have never stepped foot in the projects. You don't know any crackheads. You didn't experience this so why is it being brought up in some of these shows/films like this is "the black experience". I'm not talking about you specifically when I use the word, just some of these creatives.

I don't relate to Issa or Molly. I don't relate to black people whose parents raised them in the suburbs and they lived an upper class or upper middle class life. I enjoy the show for the relationships and I like watching black people period. There's a reason the s*** is mostly digested by white people. Atlanta writes black women like garbage and has lots of other issues so I'm not even going into that, a show with a character written like Van isn't "authentic" to anything to me. A slap in the face to black women.

Queen Sugar is better than all of them. Attanta, Kenya's shows, Insecure, whatever. There is actually all kinds of black people in that show. Micah doesn't perform like something he isn't and just is. A black boy who was raised upper class by rich parents. People can't make up their minds with this monolith s***. QS actually shows how vastly different black people are and can be while still being black without resorting to s*** that is frankly performative. David Makes Man does the same thing. It's called good writing and not shoeshining for white checks.

I need to get on queen sugar
keep hearing good things about it

I wonder since Kenya moved to Netflix is he just gonna redo everything he did at abc like there was blackish grownish and mixish now there’s gonna be blackAF grownAF and mixAF

Wasn’t feeling it

Episode 5 is definitely the best episode, I also love the way Kenya's character stumbles through life. He always thinks he's doing the right thing but it's the opposite

The f*** are you talking about? It’s more popular with non blacks? You’re just pulling s*** out of your ass to further this dumbass take Lmao No one said anything about black people being a “monolith” There are certain experiences and authenticities we all share in as a people and a culture despite our individuality. That in no way implies that black people are all the same or some sort of monolithic culture. Black People are multi-dimensional beings. I would argue more so than any other race on the planet out of shear necessity. There is nothing more or less inauthentic about the black experience being displayed on Queen Sugar than Insecure. It’s all a part of the same coin and to suggest otherwise is ignorant and some weird form of hotep, bean pie, light skin vs dark skin self hate s*** I can’t get with.

You sound like a moron being so confident when you could've Googled what I said.

variety.com/2018/tv/global/issa-rae-insecure-hbo-shonda-rhimes-male-nudity-1202982674

Over 60% of the audience is Caucasians.

There is no universal "black culture". A nigga from Harlem doesn't have the same culture as someone from Angola. Y'all say this clown ass blavity black bullshit. Stop. There is DIFFERENCES. That is OKAY.

I didn't say anything about the black experience. Learn to read. I said QS doesn't have any perfomative blackness and shows that the black experience isn't not some fuddeled nonsense.

Performing some s*** that isn't true to who you are is perfomative. Argue with your own self. This coon ass black people are all the same s*** needs to STOP.

Y'all can't even read but typing paragraphs.

I hope not, lol. Imagine getting $100 million and going that route. I would actually develop respect for Tyler Perry.

If there's no way to be black why do shows like Insecure default to bougie blacks that occasionally use over the top hood American black stereotypes for s***s and giggles in white spaces?

Why does this happen in the show?

His hypocrisy is so refreshing

Tyler should do horror movies

Dude is working with Eddie

Hollywood cares about money, not reinventing the wheel @JaeRell @Nightmares @gnarlynasty

She looks so much like a white lady that she’s played white women in nbc shows

It doesn't help that in a time of hypervisibility, social media, that creators still have no backbone with studios.

They have no back bone with themselves. They just want money.

Lmao I'm sorry I derailed the thread tbh. Not gon post no more I'm out.

Yep, which is why it sucks seeing black creatives getting pigeonholed into making the same s***. At least Tyler Perry tried to go outside Madea even though I think he can't write or direct worth s***.

Part of the reason for this is he wanted to do everything NBC told him he couldn't. I doubt he's going to do AF versions of his other shows though.

He needs to do the kneeling episode too

You want him to rewrite it for the show or leak the actual episode?