FlyMx

5y

You literally just implied that the characters/actors being “ghetto” is performative lmao I responded by saying I don’t view black women simply being loud or sassy on screen as “ghetto” or performative. You keep implying that it is because the characters or creators aren’t from the ghetto and I’m saying that’s an idiotic take because it assumes black behavior. Which is, ironically enough, a very white thing to do. I don’t believe in the idea of acting ghetto, certainly not within the context of Insecure at least. Again, simply stating that I’m not getting what you are saying doesn’t make it any more poignant lmao

Mulder

5y

This wasn't my point.... Oh my gosh.....

You're just not going to get it. Which I guess is fine because this has been going on for decades so what does it matter. I'm not really going to try explaining this anymore.

You not only are missing the point of what exactly is perfomative blackness in the context of unnatural character dialogue but you don't understand what I'm even referring to as "ghetto" or "hood". Moonlight video really caused brain overload.

None of your posts were actually good. I can't dumb it down anymore than I have, but just know you never actually understood what I'm discussing. It went beyond you.

Mulder

5y

You sound like a moron being so confident when you could've Googled what I said.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/global/issa-rae-insecure-hbo-shonda-rhimes-male-nudity-1202982674/

Over 60% of the audience is Caucasians.

There is no universal "black culture". A nigga from Harlem doesn't have the same culture as someone from Angola. Y'all say this clown ass blavity black bullshit. Stop. There is DIFFERENCES. That is OKAY.

I didn't say anything about the black experience. Learn to read. I said QS doesn't have any perfomative blackness and shows that the black experience isn't not some fuddeled nonsense.

Performing some s*** that isn't true to who you are is perfomative. Argue with your own self. This coon ass black people are all the same s*** needs to STOP.

Y'all can't even read but typing paragraphs.

proper

5y

Damn thread blew up

Mr Motion

5y

Difference of perspective. I don't see what they do as performative. I think your perception of the suburbs is skewed towards a stereotypical one. A lot of suburbs at least where I'm from are very for lack of a better term ghetto/hood adjacent, in terms of vernacular. Furthermore I don't at all view Insecure characters as "Ghetto".

Mulder

5y

All characters aren't "ghetto". I never said that.

And suburbs "vernacular" is also irrelevant to my point and now it just spirals into a different topic. (and what you said isn't true, but that's another subject) Y'all going out of your way to argue this like it doesn't happen all the time.

Neither of you actually get the point.. The issue is the read as ghetto performative hoodness for bits of dialogue that isn't in line with the characters because it doesn't apply to them, that isn't real, and it's for comedic effect.. And is, the literal definition.... Of performative blackness.

gay4frank

5y

we started a dialogue

Mr Motion

5y

Maybe if you give me a specific scene I’d be better able to understand what exactly you’re calling performative

Edit: Closest I can think of would be the character Kelly.

Mulder

5y

It happens just about every episode, and multiple times at that.

Maybe listen to Seren talk about this specifically in Insecure since she's more eloquent than I.

Kelly is just a h**** fat friend which is an archetype in most shows & and films like this, but that's not related to blackness... Weird mention.

Mr Motion

5y

Ehh now you losing me linking her videos lol. I’m familiar with Sensei Aishitmatsu... she has a big problem with “continental Africans”. Which she shows at the beginning of the video So from the get go she’s biased against it. I understand the point she’s attempting to make, but I disagree with it none the less.

COWBOY WAYNE

5y

Is the show good ?

Mulder

5y

For writing overall they're both up there for me.

I also liked The Game before the BET revival. Lol.

COWBOY WAYNE

5y

Is the show good ?

Olivear

5y

Show is ight

Makes me laugh couple of times so wasn’t expecting tht, it’s a strong 6

Wish they’d tone tht the black stuff, and limit it to just a f***ed up rich family on some succession s***

The funniest jokes are when they’re just acting like d***s to each other

Zach LaBeam

5y

Just so I get what you're saying, you wish a show called "black *as f****" would tone down the "black stuff"?

Mulder

5y

What is her point? What are you disagreeing with?

9thWonderful

5y

You just opened up an old wound for me, I HATED post BET The Game. It was my favorite show and the quality just dipped.

Mr Motion

5y

Issa’s perception of what black American culture is skewed. She believes that because she and other cast members have foreign parents, they’re not able to fully identify with “descendants of chattel American slavery”. So the “yass b****” emotives that happen in the show to her come across as performative. She goes on to say she she doesn’t know anyone who talks like that, and mentions nuance in black America culture. She is stuck on the idea that first generation immigrants can not truly live the “Black American experience”

Mr Motion

5y

Issa’s perception of what black American culture is skewed. She believes that because she and other cast members have foreign parents, they’re not able to fully identify with “descendants of chattel American slavery”. So the “yass b****” emotives that happen in the show to her come across as performative. She goes on to say she she doesn’t know anyone who talks like that, and mentions nuance in black America culture. She is stuck on the idea that first generation immigrants can not truly live the “Black American experience”

Zach LaBeam

5y

I mean, Kenya jokes in the show about African people looking down on black Americans in a way. I can't speak on that, but what you're saying feels like it could partially be a result of that way of thinking, even if its unintentional or subconsciously. Also, any links of her saying this directly?