When they joke about playing "count the black people" at the fancy resort. They see an African family and Kenya says something like oh they don't count, they don't like us they see us as the ones that got caught or something like that

Yara shahidi can get it

Look up “The Grapevine African Perspective”
It’s a 3 part discussion iirc. They talk about Africans, Black Americans, and Caribbeans. Can’t remember which exact video she talks about it but I’m pretty sure it’s in that particular discussion.

Oh hm interesting.

There's a lot of talk to be had in the diaspora that is either avoided or approached on a surface basis. There were some movies in the 90s that had scenes touching on this kinda stuff but never too deeply.

I don’t think she’s wrong, I just don’t agree to the extent she takes it. As an first generation Nigerian-American, I can’t claim to fully live the full “black American experience”, but the manner and degree in which is being portrayed in the show at least I judge that to be authentic. Seren thinks first generation immigrants are the same as people who grew up in their parents country. Those two experiences are worlds apart.

I'm a Black American DACS and it's performative to me. I agree with her, but I even though her specific explanation isn't what I was fully going for. I just find her eloquent.

First generations and so on aren't the same as us, even living in proximity and that's okay. I would rather see that on TV than playing pretend. I don't wanna see Will Smith playing Nigerian doctors either lmao. How can you judge a show with DACS folks being authentic when you're not apart of that group? Whether it is or isn't authentic is a discussion to be had with other DACS, some will agree some won't but how can you speak for that?

She doesn't think first generation Africans are the exact same as of the continent, she thinks they're different from us which is true. Your parents aren't cooking the same food as mine. They don't talk the same. They don't pass down the same traditions. What is so bad about acknowledging this lmao. It's not even the same for DACS regionally let alone generally.

See the whole “Africans look down on Black Americans” thing is weird for me. I have an African ass name irl. So growing up I was always teased heavily for being Nigerian by other black American kids the most tbfh. I would beg my OG as a shorty to legally change my name to John or some basic s***

It’s like some chicken or egg thing imo. Black Americans would look down on us, and in turn Africans would look down on them. I have no clue who started it, but it ain’t a one way street that a lotta these activist/celebrities try to play it as.

How she only 20 too

I don’t and most Africans in general don’t have a problem with things like “Will Smith playing a Nigerian doctor”. This leads to a whole other topic, but it’s a general problem with America. Extreme need for “authenticity and representation” will eventually collapse in on itself. He’s an actor and he’s acting. Was it a great performance that I’d mistake for a real Nigerian? No. I’m not of the mindset that you need to live through a real life experience, or be what you’re trying to act out. Would it help? Sure, but it ain’t really acting at that point.

There is no chicken or egg thing.

Generational resentment is a real thing. This is beyond name calling, Black American kids called each other names too, including "African booty scratcher".

I think this is actually the first American show co-created by a Nigerian woman.

Those Drake references are cringe

That argument works for white people, not marginalized people who already have an issue in Entertainment.

Black people already have an issue with our media because it's through Hollywood, this is even worse when showing Black diversity. There is a reason Afro-Caribbeans have been asking for a separate category from DACS for years, and the 2020 census has obliged. Multiple things can be true at once, Black media isn't in a position where this can be as acceptable as it is for white people.

It's partaking in erasure of those very specific voices in a very different country whose racial history isn't the same as anywhere else. Afro-Latino Americans have a right to ask why couldn't an Afro-Latino play Juan in Moonlight instead of Mahershala, sub-ethnicities deserve their right to contest to how they are portrayed in media. Just cause you don't have an issue with it, doesn't make other peoples concerns reactionary.

@Nightmares
Cause Paul Mooney said so, that means Africans started it? I dont get what you’re saying.

My mom watches the 2nd show. Personally I’ve never experienced any of my relatives make a totem pole like that. I’ve heard them say disparaging things about Black Americans when I was younger. A lot of that is (like shown in the clip) ignorance built from media of black Americans that America exports across the world. The same way black Americans will view Africa as if its one big country, with lions and tigers roaming everywhere and we all live in huts. If any black Americans goes to visit Africa, 9/10 times they’ll be embraced. Given my experience here, I can’t say the same largely (at least back in the 90s).

So yea I think it’s unfair to say definitively that one side kicked it off.

Meant to quote you, idk why it didn’t

Paul Mooney made a joke rooted in how some DACS think.

And um, one might be able to say it "started" when someone willing sold their people.

DACS have gone back to Africa, do you not know the history of Liberia? And there's many stories of no acceptance because DACS are "lost". You don't have to avoid speaking honestly about history. Year of the return is capitalist bullshit profiting off of this very thing.

We're not just over here because of white people. Lmao.

When I say embrace, I’m talking about visiting strictly, not mass immigration. That is a whole separate issue. Africa has deep issues of tribalism, so I’m not a big believer in Pan-Africanism in that sense...

I’m not really understanding your slavery comment? The whole “lost” thing... I think Black Panther just got niggas in their feelings tbh I can only speak anecdotally, but I’ve never heard anyone from Nigeria at least frame Black Americans as “lost”. You really mimicking Seren, cause she had a whole issue with that.

Um, what?

So it's fine for continental Africans to be tribal and not DACS? Unless I'm misunderstanding. What do you mean you're not a believer in Pan-Africanism, that's the goal...

google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/my-great-grandfather-the-nigerian-slave-trader/amp

What does Black Panther have to do with anything?

The "lost" and comments aren't made up. Wtf...

Here's another Nigerian American discussing this very thing

You... Acting like your bubble = reality for the rest of us DACS is offensive.

You’re misconstruing what I’m saying. I’m bringing up the problems of tribalism because for example in Nigeria there is a fierce divide between Hausas and Igbo people. A civil war occurred because of it and it’s effects are still being felt in the country today. Talk less of mass migration and bringing in essentially another tribe that would be “black African Americans”, s*** would implode. It would lead them into a house with faulty foundation.

As for the whole blacks sold blacks into slavery thing. This might be insensitive, but we’re talking about a time where slavery was a regular thing in the world. Like owning a tv. Sure Africans enslaved Africans. Europeans enslaved Europeans. The thing with the transatlantic slave trade though is those same Africans aren’t the ones who perpetuated the dogmatic racist dichotomy that exist today. That was the white man.

Edit: You should check out Michael Blacksons story when he emigrated to Philly.

And I haven’t disregarded anything about the Black American Experience as part of my “bubble”. You however seem to disregard mine and think it’s just a one way street of Africans hating on black Americans

I don't know anything about that, so I can't speak on that.

Yeah sorry your whole second paragraph is mad dismissive and offensive, and historically dishonest. Easy to type that not being an DACS or Afro-descendant in general. Not continuing a discussion on roles played in the transatlantic slave trade any further if that's the stance you take.

What part was dishonest?

You threw away history and nuance just because white people are colonizers that invented race/racism.

You're talking about a one way street of name calling... This is beyond name calling and mistreatment.

There is Generational resentment towards continental Africans, you ignored the truth in Mooney's joke that we should be mad because nobody did s*** to help our situation. A lot (some do, some don't) of dacs feel that way because of historical events and you keep talking about someone being mean. Being mean because of American propaganda and playing a role in someone being displaced, then not trying to aid after that are 2 VERY different things.

You have to live in a bubble if you think nobody says dacs have no culture, and are lost people. That has been a consistent talking point for decades. There are layers to this conversation you keep erasing and skipping over, which is why I don't wanna discuss it with you any longer. That's all lol. Really don't quote me about it anymore I'm over derailing the thread. That's it. Convo over lmao

what does blavity mean?

The Fam in no post itt did I deny anything you said. You’re straight up twisting everything I say to fit a victimhood narrative. You’re moving the goalpost to make the argument some sort of oppression olympics.

No where in my post have I even mentioned or denied African American struggles or the plight of the advancements they’ve made in the west that benefit all black people, furthermore all minorities in the west. So stop with the sanctimonious bs. I shed light on a very valid reason as to why Africans would view Black Americans in a certain light and vice versa. I haven’t denied Africans having disparaging views of black Americans at all, even admitted my parents did too as well. I’m telling you it stems from ignorance; lack of knowledge but you wanna say I’m invalidating the entire black American struggle .
No where did I say it was the ONLY reason, or even allude to it being the only reason.

How you expect Africans to really give beneficial help during times like the Civil Rights movement, when a lot of the countries during that time were either newly independent, or still under colonial rule?

I literally brought up tribalism as a major problem Africans have, and you twisted that into me saying Black Americans don’t deserve to be tribal or view themselves as a tribe.