Like they said a vocal brings the beat to life

All the real personality is usually in the vocals not the 2 bar sample from a random nigga pack

This true I accidentally played the black album accapella version on iTunes at the gym today like wtf

Why does this even exist

its cus rap music is largely aspirational & people wanna be or feel like the artists they listen to i think as much as the beats are elite on die lit people wanna be like carti whether its conscious or not. thats the emotional connection but the music is the catalyst for that. the artist is still the avatar or the mirror for the fan. people dont really wanna "be like " synths (i mean i do but im a f***in freak lol)

producers/engineers def deserve more love but got to realize the artists are the main face of the project/idea. Its only inevitable for people to garner more attention towards them.

Dilla was a generational talent. You know is like finding a needle in a haystack.

50 percent to engineer, 40 percent to producer & 10 percent to rapper.

That's what it is or should be

*A&R

There are instrumental albums that do sell & once in a while even chart in multiple genres.

Cant say the same for acapellas.

You gotta stop listening to such trash rappers if you think that’s all they deserve. Everyone should get credit tho that’s for sure.

Thought we were talking about credit for the entire song.

Most rappers are only one very small piece plus maybe some input, mainstream wise.

Everything else is on the engineer(s), producer(s) & A&R.

A rapper rapper or an "artsy" rapper is a different story tho i agree, just talking in what i consider normal cases.

What you consider the very small piece will be the parts of the song that everyone will quote and draws them to the song. I hate to do it because I can’t rock with the message but take a recent example like Who I Smoke. People are singing along to the hook not just dancing to the beat. The beat alone probably wouldn’t move that many people. The engineer was probably busting his ass while they were recording it too arranged it and cleaned it up. The rapper might finish up his job faster but the lasting impression they can leave is being understated.

Just like Beyonce gets all the credit even though she doesn't know how to read

Thats only because their the face of the whole thing. I dont disagree they are the biggest of the song, but theyre not the biggest piece of the actual song creation.

Most of the time its the engineer doing the effects that makes the rapper memorable & doing the final layout of the song for those bridges n hooks, sometimes even creating the hook themselves by splicing the rappers takes n lyrics, while the prodcuer makes the backbone which is the beat, n usually nowdays its multiple producers to get that sound a certain way, n usually the A&R for mainstream acts is the one picking out all or most the beats, suggesting features, directing the final product for track placements & suggesting the theme.

I do agree the Rapper is the biggest part to the public when it comes out, but the credit for the song overall i think they get the smallest cut in most/average circumstances.

But in Rap it is all still important at the end of the day, but to the average person & what they think the Rapper did just because its the main face, really he only did a quarter of what they think.

Which is why I brought up the engineer in the first place. I know the part they play as well in that. The engineer tends to bust his ass for little credit. I just can’t rock with the idea of the rapper being 10% it’s too low for how important the job can be. When it comes to the more auto tune based, punch in heavy, sloppy recording niggas I can see where you’re coming from a bit more but even then it’s a case by case situation. We always gotta credit everyone involved fairly tho it’s a team effort.

Def agree & i respect that.

Probably some animosity bias tbh from my standpoint due to producers fighting to finally get credit n engineers dont have any, but true.

None of their positions n contributions should be diminished, downplayed or ignored.

As with any industry or business, the blame starts from up top. When music exects push a product that's of a low grade, s***ty tier because it "sells" and is "more profitable" then the company will hire employees that fit that resume. These artists all form together on the assembly line and create the finished product.

When the exect approves, the product gets pushed.. When the exect disapproves, the product gets "shelved" and we'll see it on a 3rd market (leak this, hnhh, limewire etc.).

Sometimes, companies will throughout a "concept" of a product (think concept cars, or a high tier boutique album) and release it once the demand is high (LUPE, Kendrick smfh)

Then you have your independent businesses that have to use various marketing strategies to stand out. Curren$y, Griselda, Larry June, Roc Marciano, Mach-Hommy, Nipsey etc.

These companies put out a solid product but because the Mainstream doesn't support them, they become our local produce (yee-hee), clothing labels, car dealerships etc.

There are amazing artists out there, I also think a huge portion of the deterioration of music is the lack of musicianship and singing. When all people sing the exact same tone, bluesy-depressed-folk voice, weeding out true talent is excruciating. Again that goes back to the marketplace. DAWs are great but Bands are S-Tier. When true talents are set aside for some 3rd grader singing in autotune about f***in b****es, how can one compete with that lol

Look at it this way, rappers are like film directors they have the final say with regard to beats, lyrics, features etc… producers should definitely get more credit, but the full credit goes to person who made the song the way it is.

because whats more interesting:

the rapper with b****es, money, chains, tattoos, foreign whips, straps, rollies

or

the nigga wit a laptop, a keyboard, and a copy of fruity loops

👆🏾

its just easier to market the rapper + its the way we've always done things in music

makes you think...

Not just more interesting most of the time but they make the story period. Producers are like cinematographers and rappers are like writers I think is a better a***ogy.

Without the film there is no movie, without the writing there is no story.

Everybody that helps make the song better deserves credit

I listen to instrumentals all the time and still gotta give love to the rappers. A true artist can turn a great beat into an actual record. People have a tendency to focus solely on the content or whatever they hate about an artist rather than what they specialize in

Some artists can hop on a beat and demand your attention. That’s it. They won. You find the right pocket and got the right voice and you can go far. That’s how it’s always been. These beats wouldn’t be as appreciated as they are without these hooks, melodies, flows that rappers provide

I can sit and play beats all day but the right artist getting on a track can change the listening experience. Sometimes it bugs me out that these niggas can go in the booth and say anything yet still sound so fire. I know the engineers and producers have a lot to do with it but ultimately they all work together to deliver a moment for the listener