How would you change the admissions standard? If you’re UCLA how do you narrow down 14% of 100k+ applications

Talking about the national debt isn’t trolling

Stop trying to take stupid irrelevant shots at me when I’m trying to engage in actual discussion with you

I don’t get why you can’t acknowledge that these plans have flaws. Maybe for you the benefits outweigh the risks but let’s not pretend there aren’t risks

Like what?
You literally haven’t listed any

Im curious what do people mean when they say defund the police like just live in a world with no cops at all or specific budget cuts you'd like to see

See another example of him insulting people trying to have a productive conversation

It varies but general sentiment is to reduce the funding of police departments significantly and invest that money into community accountability, psychiatrists, sexual violence experts etc

So instead of calling the police and getting the same cop for any issue, you would instead get someone who’s actually experienced in that issue

it means take some of the funding we use for law enforcement and use it toward other systems that may be more beneficial for the situation

with the idea that we may not actually need police for everything we call them for right now

There are no risks to making college free, none whatsoever. I'm not even sure why you would think this. Everything your listing is completely irrelevant and is only a risk insofar as you have to pretend that there are risks because you don't agree with it. How does means testing it curb inequality? After all the wealthy will still have access to more resources, will still go to better schools and see better outcomes while more poor and working class people will be fighting over admissions spots in public universities.

Or you could just make college free, abolish private universities, even out the playing field in k-12 education, and then change admissions standards. you could even implement a random lottery

defund police = shift money from police budgets towards social services that improve the material conditions of the people, thus lowering the crime rate, and then eventually police are abolished as they no longer serve any use in society.

Y'all didn't know Synopsis is omniscient? Smh

taxes, mainly.

can anybody outside of the US speak to some of the downsides of having a free education?

i understand the concept behind "there is no such thing as free lunch" but at the same time i feel like if other places have figured it out

why can't we?

i know free education doesn't always equal good education

but still

i feel like it'd be a start

that sounds fair as long as you still have people ready to call for dealing with high level organized crime and murders/robberies/rapes

Well in Germany for example the tests to get into higher ed are much more rigorous even though its free so you could argue that kids who don't have access to test prep resources for these exams are at a disadvantage... also I guess the they must pay more taxes to cover the cost

that being said I think there model for universities is still better

I think an argument would be that defunding them would cause them to police worse. If that's even a thing. Upset moral, etc.

Not my view but I think I've seen that floating around.

if anything, i feel like they'd have more time to focus on more important cases etc. if they had the support of other resources people could call on

yeah its crazy to think that cities like Chicago only have a 50 percent murder clearance rate... 1/2 of murderers completely get away every year

I hope Pete runs again in 2024 if Biden doesn’t run for re-election. I’m sure he’s going to be in his cabinet

Lol how many threads like this do you need?

It was actually a good thread at first and then it got derailed

in a country offering free tuition like germany it's basically decided when you're 12 if you attend uni. i had a sub 1.0 GPA for most of high school. if i grew up in germany, i probably would never even dream of the opportunity to attend college. fast forward to today and i have my BSc sitting above me hung up on my wall with my 3.5 GPA and cushy software dev job.

UK actually ended free college in the 90s and it was found to directly reduce inequality largely because of rising enrollment rates.

it's also worth noting that people don't pay the same price for education in the states. i grew up in poverty (as in, my parent made less than $10k annually) and i paid literally nothing in tuition for all four years i went to uni. i had only one small state scholarship (that only required me to maintain a 3.0 GPA) in addition to the standard FAFSA bucks.

i do agree that we need to revamp education in the U.S., but IMO it starts at K-12, not college.

thank you for sharing
appreciate your insight!

i just realized you asked for somebody outside of the U.S. in your post my bad it's been a long day for me

He better be

If Pete isn't president by 2032 at the latest I'll be extremely disappointed in America

Easily the greatest political voice since Obama at least

no worries

i appreciate your perspective regardless