honey beats

3y

So I'm all for power to the people and so on
I consider my self a leftist

But I don't fully understand what's the deal with the "treat Uber workers as employees" and all those stories about "I work for Uber and I make 1$ a day pls help me I'm starving"

If working conditions for Uber drivers are so s*** why are they doing that full time instead of trying to get a job that's at least paying the minimum?

I'm here really to get smarter not to push my current view so please correct me and explain this to me

Is unemployment really THAT bad that people can't find other jobs than driving for Uber Eats for 1.5$ per day?
Isn't making Uber treat drivers as employees basically killing the idea of a taxi-like service that allows anyone to just log in one night and start driving?

I get protecting drivers... like making sure they are safe from getting robbed or when passengers are aggressive.

But I don't understand the compassion towards people that bet their life on working full time on an app that's biggest selling point is "cheap" and "every one can do it"

Flaphead

3y

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/08/technology/farewell-millennial-lifestyle-subsidy.html

In addition to what everyone else is saying ITT, consider that we’re currently in a s***ty period for ridesharing and the brunt of it comes down on the drivers.

Tl;Dr for the article - Uber and similar companies were basically held afloat by investor capital willing to sustain exorbitant losses each year for the sake of brand growth up until the pandemic. Now that things are opening back up, investors are demanding profit and the immediate way Uber saw fit to do that was to raise prices on their fares. People have built lifestyles around the assumption of the cost of an Uber for leisure or commute, and Uber correctly guessed that the most profitable of those users (the upper-middle class or higher who actually gained wealth on average during the pandemic) would shrug and accept the increase without significant attrition.

What f***ing sucks is that not only did Uber increase these prices with an understanding that working class commuters would be forced to also accept them due to having little or no options otherwise, but they also did so without significantly increasing the drivers’ margins. That would mean drivers are dealing with more frustrated riders for no increased pay in a bubble, but they’re also doing that in an ongoing pandemic and opening themselves to that level of danger on top of the already assumed danger of having a stranger in your car - all for a minimal pay increase.

Consider that millions built an alternative to the backbreaking alternatives of factory or warehouse work on this gig, and suddenly through no fault of their own it’s becoming increasingly more hostile an environment with increasingly shrinking benefit. Frankly, many of them are probably considering the same thought process as you - which f***ing sucks and I sure as hell empathize with having to fully restrategize when you’re already living paycheck to paycheck.

Edit: and until we can move past tipping as a f***ing batshit practice that allows employers to pass wage costs onto the customer as OPTIONAL, build in a 25% or higher tip no matter what because chances are, 75% of people also given the option are doing 10 or nothing.

honey beats

3y

Not saying they should work harder

I'm saying that from the beginning Uber was not supposed to be a full time job

Now people are trying to get rich of of driving a car on an app and they are surprised it's not enough to make ends meet

To me it is similar to how people who lose money on stocks shouldn't be offered a helping hand

It's a different thing when you can't make ends meet because there aren't any jobs for you. But if you could get a normal job but opt to drive for uber and then you're left with 1.5$ for a day why tf should we change Gig work rules to help those people.

I really don't get it and I see no one here wants to educate a mf they just want to roll on their high horse making fun

Bourbon Ben

3y

The job for ppl doing it fulltime is bascially either kill urself at Amazon or a fast food place or drive Uber.

001

3y

FACTS! GET A REAL JOB U F***ERS!

honey beats

3y

That's what I'm asking

I'm not from US so most of the California Uber bills they are pushing doesn't affect me

But in my country working for a job that at least pays a minimum isn't that hard I think
So it might not be as applicable here as it is in the US

That's why I made this thread. For someone to tell me the main reason.

And if the main reason is "those people would do anything to get at least a minimum paying job but they can't and that's why they have to work for uber" then hell f***ing yeah for all those bills making Uber treat them as employees

F*** uber for exploiting people who have no other options

But again - I made this thread for someone to tell me this and explain instead of putting me in a box and making jokes

GAYFORSALEM

3y

Nigga you literally just explained the problem to your self 🤦🏾‍♂️

JaeRell

3y

Most gig workers want to be classified as independent contractors as it gives us preferable freedoms. A small minority want the same benefits as employees and wouldn't mind being classified as employees.

I have problems with various apps and how they scam us who work for them, but I'd take the freedoms or being an independent contractor over an employee any day. But gig work is a side hustle for me. This is some temporary s***.

Bourbon Ben

3y

The job for ppl doing it fulltime is bascially either kill urself at Amazon or a fast food place or drive Uber.

NBA GameBoy

3y

Lots of cab drivers were forced to drive Uber and Lyft for lower wages once those apps became popular

honey beats

3y

That's what I'm asking

I'm not from US so most of the California Uber bills they are pushing doesn't affect me

But in my country working for a job that at least pays a minimum isn't that hard I think
So it might not be as applicable here as it is in the US

That's why I made this thread. For someone to tell me the main reason.

And if the main reason is "those people would do anything to get at least a minimum paying job but they can't and that's why they have to work for uber" then hell f***ing yeah for all those bills making Uber treat them as employees

F*** uber for exploiting people who have no other options

But again - I made this thread for someone to tell me this and explain instead of putting me in a box and making jokes

PEACEFUL HARMONY

3y

Where’s fast food or Amazon compassion

GAYFORSALEM

3y

@op

London

3y

@op you're definitely asking a valid question but you're not gonna get an answer here on ktt. This site is part of the twitterverse so don't look for serious discussion here. I would recommend StackExchange or the economics subreddit on reddit if you wanna have these discussions.