Before saying some s*** like this Y’all gotta sit back and ask yourselves what the f*** do you even know about Kanye’s relationship with god, or anyone’s at all?

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You are on crack. TLOP reflects OP’s premise. Donda is a legit Christian album and anyone saying otherwise isn’t listening at all

this is just kanye dealing with his mental illness and trying to find his way to God. I genuinely think Kanye wants to get there but is still wrestling with his ego. Ya'll forget Kanye is human and is working on himself still

There was no way he was gonna make strictly church music, he had to find the balance

But technically this is still Christian rap

Donda is the most Lukewarm/Cold Christian album I've heard that's not written by Hillsong.

Donda being labeled as a Christian/God album is disrespectful. Just because it's edited doesn't make it Godly. The subject manner, lyrics, instrumental frequencies etc.

The BIBLE states make a separation between Holy and Unholy. If you can't do that with an album then you know what side of the fence it's on. It's leaven.

With caucasian standards who are Gentiles yea it's a passable white gospel album.

Bruh I grew up & still listen to The Winans, Fred Hammond, Mississipi Mass Choir, Commissioned, Richard Smallwood, Yolanda Adams, J Moss etc etc. There's NOTHING about this album that represents the Gospel.

I'm not even trynna to be on a high horse. Kanye isn't a dumb, mental mfer. He knows we're the Israelites. That's why he kept rapping about the 400 years. He's privy to what the gold standard is. He stooped down to white peoples standard and AGAIN made their album.

I like Junya, Praise God etc. but they aren't Gospel nor Godly records. They're hip hop tracks and nothing more.

Agreed

I feel like he went the Jesus Freak route to avoid accountability for the MAGA s***

Instead of owning he f***ed up and supported a racist piece of s***, he did the “I’m a man of God! You can’t hate me now! I’m a man of religion now! Ignore the trump s*** please!”

So this religion s*** seems insincere to me

OP is cap

in what way is that "avoiding accountability"? lol i dont think anyone in the demographic of who is criticizing him for wearing a maga hat is going to "absolve" him of his "wrongdoing" just because he makes the decision to delve deeper in his christian roots

its not an afterthought, look at the music we had right before JIK in I Love It, XTCY etc. its created a big change in his music and personality in general, even on JIK it was a lot about his personal life and family too but rooted in his faith

it’s not your normal christian music, but i do feel a “hopefulness in the midst of darkness” when listening to the album as a whole

what do you think of the overall theme of songs like 24, lord i need you, keep my spirit alive, & new again?

and can you recommend some hip hop that you feel is honestly good christian music

i’m not trying to come at you if it sounds like it, genuinely want to hear this perspective

Stop texting

Go find god

Come back after you found god

I really like New Again! Been listening to that daily. Have yet to hear the other records ya mentioned. (or at least identify them)

Good hip hop Christian music, I don't listen to him 100% but I know Eshon Burgundy makes 100% lyrical gospel music. Here's a link tree to Burgandy's record label. It's all gospel music.

Devin Morrison makes solid gospel Rnb. Pj Morton, Cory Henry, Doobie Powell too.

If you can. One thing I've been doing is playing the audio version of Psalms or my favorite Bible Chapters & finding an instrumental that backs it. Whether I make it on my own, or find one on YouTube etc. That's really fun!

What no the lyrics have definitely not taken a step back from JIK. That album is full of surface level religious platitudes often parroted by the recently-saved, the kind of people who don't have the experience with or depth of understanding necessary to communicate the Christian life in a meaningful way. The writing really caps the appeal of that album.

One listen to Jesus Lord illustrates the increased nuance in Kanye's understanding of Christianity and the potential challenges and contradictions of religious thought, specifically regarding abortion, the loss of loved ones, etc.

3 songs later: “smoke a opp pack, it ain’t funny like that”

Kanye too funny man

Yup I remember in an interview (I forget which one) he basically said that after I Love It he had to reflect on himself and the messages he’s putting out into the world through his music

I think with his children getting older now he realizes he wants a better society for them to live in. Instead of glorifying s***and drinking/drugs like he used to, he now wants to glorify God and family values. Which explains the tweets about “Jesus Tok”, not wanting his children to do Playboy shoots, etc.

Obviously Donda isn’t a strictly gospel/Christian rap album, but that wouldn’t reach as many people as a project that also mixed in some secular themes like this one did

Very clear

Came to comment this ya beat me to it!

I think Kanye wanted to make Christian record sound cool and dope. With JIK faith related themes were very straightforward and the aesthetic kinda matched the aesthetic of old, maybe a little bit trippy, Christian-themed albums (not only gospel, there is a lot of old Christian psychodelic folk or rock). This time Kanye used matrices of modern, very current trends (drill, explorations of trap, all black, dark visuals etc) and toned down his preaching mode in order to make the same message sound much more cool and up to date.

Just was listening again and that’s a great description, a lot of the features are like testimonies and realising that makes me enjoy the project even more

I wish he were more creative with it then just “God this” “God that”

There are so many interesting things to discuss about the Bible in a creative way but he’d rather keep it shallow I guess

Not even on some stan s***, but I believe that in his mind he thinks that it’s the forefront, even though he contradicts it constantly, but from the outside you are right