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  • WHY THE F*** ARE COMICS SO INACCESSIBLE mainly talking about the big 2 there鈥檚 so many cool stories out there but it鈥檚 all turned into a convoluted mess through multiverses like I wanna be able to keep up with marvel and dc but I just don鈥檛 see any entry points. Then I see people hyping up big events and stories like age of apocalypse and three jokes but they say u need to catch up on the stories before

  • Aug 18

    Actually no I don鈥檛 wanna put comics in a box like that it鈥檚 just frustrating

  • Aug 18
    5 replies

    manga > western comics

  • Because unlike manga, American comics don't have one consist person writing for a single character or storyline/event. Which leads to a lot of inconsistencies and retcons.

    Also, consider whenever a new writer is hired, they come in with their ulterior agenda to cement themselves, only for it to be the next writers job to do damage control.

    That's how you end up with Spiderman going from being a happily married man, to making a deal with the devil that cost him his marriage because fans complained that making Peter a married adult no longer made him relatable. So things need to be set back to the status quo.

    Then there is just the general problem of stories being around since the 40s.

  • Aug 18
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    if u trying to read marvel
    i think avengers disamebled and new avengers after that is a good jumping on point google a universe reading order
    dc mad confusing with all the crisis events but i finally have an understanding of the dc multiverse now lol it only took me reading like 100 issues of random ass stories from the 40s thru the 80s and even still its so many characters with decades of continuity that i barely know anything about

  • Aug 18
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    RVGNVRXK

    if u trying to read marvel
    i think avengers disamebled and new avengers after that is a good jumping on point google a universe reading order
    dc mad confusing with all the crisis events but i finally have an understanding of the dc multiverse now lol it only took me reading like 100 issues of random ass stories from the 40s thru the 80s and even still its so many characters with decades of continuity that i barely know anything about

    See that鈥檚 my issue especially with dc because there鈥檚 so many characters out there but it鈥檚 hard to get into them because of continuity I mean how does one even get into blue beetle or booster gold. There鈥檚 many Batman stories that are hyped up but some of those require you to read back to understand a universe. With marvel one of the biggest events is age of apocalypse why can鈥檛 a new reader just hop on and read that? Then there鈥檚 so many comics releasing that look so cool but again it鈥檚 just a convoluted mess driven by continuity. I heard X men is just as complex along with justice league. This s*** pisses me off because comics look so cool man and I see a lot of new exciting things it鈥檚 an art form that I鈥檓 interested in but they make it so inaccessible. I see why people just say f*** it I鈥檒l stick to manga but I actually wanna read both

  • Either start reading when a new arc starts for the character or after a big event and when marvel reboots all their comics again.

  • interstellarflyin2

    manga > western comics

  • comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/knights-until-avengers-disassembled

    @op this is the first part to a pretty good and not too confusing guide on the marvel universe starting in 1998 so it's more about the modern Era of marvel comics, I've read through like a quarter of it, had to take a break because there's a lot of content but it's really nice

  • interstellarflyin2

    manga > western comics

    I love both tho but manga just hits different

  • Aug 18
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    dawwggg x men so f***ed up
    back in the day chris claremont wrote like over 300 issues of multiple x men titles that all tied in with eachother in someway and then u got age of apocalypse and everything after that
    i wanna read all the x men s*** at some point in my life but 1 thing i learned from readng comics is u need patience lmao
    its already like 17 volumes of tpbs of the hickman x men

    for booster gold and blue beetle read justice league international from the 80s
    i tried reading dc comics when i was younger like around final crisis and i was so confused lmao u really have to start with older comics before u jump into modern s*** or at least read whatever character u fw wikipedia page

  • Aug 18
    RVGNVRXK

    dawwggg x men so f***ed up
    back in the day chris claremont wrote like over 300 issues of multiple x men titles that all tied in with eachother in someway and then u got age of apocalypse and everything after that
    i wanna read all the x men s*** at some point in my life but 1 thing i learned from readng comics is u need patience lmao
    its already like 17 volumes of tpbs of the hickman x men

    for booster gold and blue beetle read justice league international from the 80s
    i tried reading dc comics when i was younger like around final crisis and i was so confused lmao u really have to start with older comics before u jump into modern s*** or at least read whatever character u fw wikipedia page

    Lol yea I hear dc is waay more complex than marvel universe wise but then again I think they just rebooted again with future slate or something? I know I gotta go far back for age of apocalypse too. I been eyeing Hickman xmen run too with house of x I heard that鈥檚 a good jumping on point

  • Aug 18
    3 replies

    Read stuff from Image and Dark Horse instead.

  • Aug 18

    If you talking about events in comics you can literally google marvel events/ dc events and there will be flowcharts on which comics to read and which order from beginning to end.

    That鈥檚 how I read secret wars 2 . Yes some events run into the middle of seperate comic run stories but the events are mainly contained in those issues without spoiling previous issues related to that characters story run.

  • Aug 18
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    I鈥檇 pretty much suggest reading secret wars 2 cause that basically changed everything for marvel in 2015.
    Or go back in time and read civil war or annihilation

  • Aug 18
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    dawg

    I鈥檇 pretty much suggest reading secret wars 2 cause that basically changed everything for marvel in 2015.
    Or go back in time and read civil war or annihilation

    Do I need any background on those stories? They look pretty cool I wanna get to the onslaught stuff as well

  • Aug 18
    MURKY

    Do I need any background on those stories? They look pretty cool I wanna get to the onslaught stuff as well

    Nah as long as you Google a flowchart to the events they have every issue related even the buildup. But certain issues are spin offs tied to the event but unrelated. Like I know there were hella spin-off issues surrounding secret wars 2 but it鈥檚 just mainly def contained stuff but extra lore on the universe that doom created. . Mainly fun stories but I don鈥檛 think they continue on past secret wars due to the ending. But post secret wars sets up the new continuity with marvel.

    Yeah it鈥檚 kinda is convoluted but doing research before hand on YouTube or Google/ Reddit helps . I haven鈥檛 been reading marvel much lately and I haven鈥檛 read any dc at all. If I were to pick it back up again I鈥檇 just pick a character I f*** with and just read their best runs with good artist .

    That鈥檚 kinda another way , there鈥檚 too much lore in Marvel/DC universe to where if you reading about one character . You get tidbits of background lore on locations and what happened previous but only hints but comic book writers do the smart thing and post the specific comic and issue regarding significant locations if you want to check out other characters and issues. So really you can just go in blind pick a team or character you fw and just Google the best runs from that character.
    Or stick with a writer and read all their works. There are some dope writers and some horrible writers.

  • MURKY

    See that鈥檚 my issue especially with dc because there鈥檚 so many characters out there but it鈥檚 hard to get into them because of continuity I mean how does one even get into blue beetle or booster gold. There鈥檚 many Batman stories that are hyped up but some of those require you to read back to understand a universe. With marvel one of the biggest events is age of apocalypse why can鈥檛 a new reader just hop on and read that? Then there鈥檚 so many comics releasing that look so cool but again it鈥檚 just a convoluted mess driven by continuity. I heard X men is just as complex along with justice league. This s*** pisses me off because comics look so cool man and I see a lot of new exciting things it鈥檚 an art form that I鈥檓 interested in but they make it so inaccessible. I see why people just say f*** it I鈥檒l stick to manga but I actually wanna read both

    I've seen people say start with specific characters' stories and take note of any events/crossovers that are of interest to you

  • Comic books are very fragmented and every characters story is basically ongoing. There's no ending unless the character is obscure. Which means everytime a character reaches a logical conclusion they have to be reset again. Unlike Manga comics have multiple writers at any given time so a new writer can completely throw out the old material and introduce his version. There's also behind the scenes fukery like editorial mandates that can completely screw with a characters trajectory.

  • Aug 18
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    starting marvel with secret wars 2 lowkey sacrilegious dont do that lol

  • Aug 19
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    RVGNVRXK

    starting marvel with secret wars 2 lowkey sacrilegious dont do that lol

    Lol what do you mean? Would dissembled be better?

  • Aug 19
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    Gotta get @Tha7osavage opinions in here too

  • Aug 19
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    MURKY

    Gotta get @Tha7osavage opinions in here too

    Yeah bro ngl, I鈥檝e always loved comics, but was always intimidated because of the sheer amount of different storylines, continuity issues, etc.

    What i CAN recommend is starting at maybe one of the recent reboot phases for Marvel or DC. For example when I got back into reading, DC Rebirth had just came out, and that was a really a great starting point into the universe. Marvel might be a little more tough, but if you really tryna get into reading Hickman鈥檚 Secret Wars, then lmk and I鈥檒l get you a reading order. Hickman鈥檚 Secret Wars was a f***ing experience bro, I loved every bit of it.

  • Aug 19
    2 replies

    DC been killing it with their recent 12 issue maxi series鈥, and they鈥檝e been pretty self contained and accessible for the most part. Marvel has had a few too

  • Sudo

    Read stuff from Image and Dark Horse instead.

    Image is goated. F*** it, most indie publishers are goated nowadays. Nothing but quality storytelling

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