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  • Aug 28, 2022

    Maybe if your therapist is ass cheeks

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    Yes. When your therapy presumes that your problems are the result of individual thought processes and ignores the impact of capitalism on your life, it can often reinforce capitalist ideology. CBT is especially guilty of this.

  • Aug 28, 2022
    exclave oasis

    Most things in capitalism reinforce capitalism

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    JaeRell

    Reinforce is a terrible term to use. If anything, a band-aid to systemic societal problems is more appropriate.

    It kind of does reinforce capitalism when it takes the way you're feeling as the result of irrational and maladaptive thoughts and behaviors of the individual like CBT and doesn't acknowledge the real social factors that influence your psyche.

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    i wish yall would get coochie

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    Scratchin Mamba

    It kind of does reinforce capitalism when it takes the way you're feeling as the result of irrational and maladaptive thoughts and behaviors of the individual like CBT and doesn't acknowledge the real social factors that influence your psyche.

    Therapy is a micro level intervention. And it can acknowledge social factors that influence your psyche. It just can't do much to address it other than tell you to become politically active.

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    JaeRell

    Therapy is a micro level intervention. And it can acknowledge social factors that influence your psyche. It just can't do much to address it other than tell you to become politically active.

    Of course therapy can do those things. But is that's how it's being performed currently? Mostly not.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Yes. When your therapy presumes that your problems are the result of individual thought processes and ignores the impact of capitalism on your life, it can often reinforce capitalist ideology. CBT is especially guilty of this.

    What are they supposed to do? Wallow with you about living in a capitalist society?

  • depends who's your therapist but i'd say yes

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    Smoofer

    What are they supposed to do? Wallow with you about living in a capitalist society?

    Idk if you're trying to have a serious conversation but anyway the acknowledgement that systemic factors have an impact on how your life has went is important yes. If people just blame everything on their own personal failings that's a sure fire way to deepen your depression/anxiety or whatever if you've been dealt a bad hand.

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    chibuye

    what if me not getting out of bed is me overthrowing capitalism?

    i think that's a perfectly fine protest.

  • Aug 28, 2022

    Tony Soprano uses therapy to be a better criminal

    op uses therapy to be a better capitalist

  • Aug 28, 2022
    emo genghis khan

    This but unironically

    Withholding labor is our biggest weapon in an organized manner tho otherwise you're just gonna be poor by yourself for nothing

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Idk if you're trying to have a serious conversation but anyway the acknowledgement that systemic factors have an impact on how your life has went is important yes. If people just blame everything on their own personal failings that's a sure fire way to deepen your depression/anxiety or whatever if you've been dealt a bad hand.

    I agree awareness of the impacts of capitalism is important in general but therapy is about building a toolkit to deal with the difficult situations in your life. Your therapist letting you know that some of those difficult situations are due to capitalism isn’t actionable towards actually getting relief and being able to cope with living inside that system

  • Aug 28, 2022

    Went to my therapist for help with anxiety and they just handed me a copy of das kapital and a bill for their time

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    Smoofer

    I agree awareness of the impacts of capitalism is important in general but therapy is about building a toolkit to deal with the difficult situations in your life. Your therapist letting you know that some of those difficult situations are due to capitalism isn’t actionable towards actually getting relief and being able to cope with living inside that system

    Except it is important for your own mental health, you need to contextualize life events, if you interpret everything that has gone wrong in your life as a personal failure, your self-esteem will plummet. A poor single mother struggling to make ends meet who has a feeling of guilt for not being able to provide for her children in the ways she would like to should know that it's not all her fault, and that includes acknowledgement of capitalism's effects on her life, whether that's made explicit or not.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Except it is important for your own mental health, you need to contextualize life events, if you interpret everything that has gone wrong in your life as a personal failure, your self-esteem will plummet. A poor single mother struggling to make ends meet who has a feeling of guilt for not being able to provide for her children in the ways she would like to should know that it's not all her fault, and that includes acknowledgement of capitalism's effects on her life, whether that's made explicit or not.

    Interpreting everything as a personal failure has nothing to do with missing context. Humans aren’t perfectly rational or logical. Telling that single mom that societal aspects are to blame for her situation for one doesn’t make her situation any better or more manageable and secondly doesn’t even guarantee that she won’t still bear feelings of responsibility. I do think that therapists should address those things and help their clients to function outside of a “productivity” oriented mindset, but CBT for example is a tool to do just that if used with guidance

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    Smoofer

    Interpreting everything as a personal failure has nothing to do with missing context. Humans aren’t perfectly rational or logical. Telling that single mom that societal aspects are to blame for her situation for one doesn’t make her situation any better or more manageable and secondly doesn’t even guarantee that she won’t still bear feelings of responsibility. I do think that therapists should address those things and help their clients to function outside of a “productivity” oriented mindset, but CBT for example is a tool to do just that if used with guidance

    Of course an acknowledgement of social factors alone won't do anything, I never said it was supposed to be the only thing that should be done during therapy, or even the biggest focus, just that it should be a part of it. And CBT can be a useful tool, but it's kind of overused in a lot of countries and worshipped as like the only legitimate form of therapy. CBT can be helpful, but its logic is very susceptible to being used in that way that only sees the individual by putting so much of an emphasis on maladaptive thoughts and behaviors which are by definition interpeted as irrational.

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    what if schizophrenic people are actually advanced and have secret knowledge

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Except it is important for your own mental health, you need to contextualize life events, if you interpret everything that has gone wrong in your life as a personal failure, your self-esteem will plummet. A poor single mother struggling to make ends meet who has a feeling of guilt for not being able to provide for her children in the ways she would like to should know that it's not all her fault, and that includes acknowledgement of capitalism's effects on her life, whether that's made explicit or not.

    No good therapist will ever allow you to interpret everything that has gone wrong in your life as a personal failure.

  • Aug 28, 2022
    Gojira

    what if schizophrenic people are actually advanced and have secret knowledge

    That's actually what some cultures believe lol and because it has a lot less of a negative connotation their hallucinations are also a lot less negative and even cheerful or even sexual

    Pretty interesting stuff

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    JaeRell

    No good therapist will ever allow you to interpret everything that has gone wrong in your life as a personal failure.

    I agree not directly of course, but with CBT your symptoms are at least indirectly blamed on yourself by blaming it all on your maladaptive thoughts and behaviors.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I agree not directly of course, but with CBT your symptoms are at least indirectly blamed on yourself by blaming it all on your maladaptive thoughts and behaviors.

    There's nothing wrong with blaming things on maladaptive thoughts and behaviors. Those maladaptive thoughts and behaviors are caused by trauma you've experienced and it is important to correct cognitive distortions that hinder you.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Yes. When your therapy presumes that your problems are the result of individual thought processes and ignores the impact of capitalism on your life, it can often reinforce capitalist ideology. CBT is especially guilty of this.

    CBT is incredibly ass but it's the only therapy I can seem to get for free. Makes you think

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    Scratchin Mamba

    It kind of does reinforce capitalism when it takes the way you're feeling as the result of irrational and maladaptive thoughts and behaviors of the individual like CBT and doesn't acknowledge the real social factors that influence your psyche.

    So what you’re telling me is that my depression is not because of the traumatic events I experienced growing up but instead of me spending money?

    Got it.

    Thanks, doctor.