BRAVE

4y

Hey if we’re not shown that Clark found out Bruce’s mother’s name was Martha, that’s on the filmmakers and our assumptions don’t count. So Clark didn’t know beforehand.

One can appreciate Snyder’s goal to have Batman find humanity in Superman, but the way that goal was achieved was illogical and goofy because:

• if Superman doesn’t even know Batman’s mother’s name is Martha, for all he knows that would just be a random person to Batman, so why would Superman be stupid enough to think saying some random woman’s name would save him? Thank god they just so happened to have the same name cause if not...it could’ve been a cold day for Superman
• why wouldn’t Superman just say “we need to save my mother”? That should appeal to anyone’s humanity just as much as saying Martha. But Snyder wanted to point out their mother’s had the same name so bad he didn’t think about the logic of it
• if the film showed that Clark found out/realized he and Bruce’s moms had the same name, the Martha moment would have been a payoff because it would have shown Clark mindfucking Bruce to snap out of trying to murder someone by saying “we need to save Martha”

Now let’s be clear, any filmmaker pointing out that Batman and Superman’s moms have the same name in such a serious movie is goofy regardless of how it’s done and only works in comedy. But there was a way to go about it, and BvS’s way was not it

StrangeTimes

4y

Visits his parents grave once and has a nightmare sequence after.

Also it’s his mother lol

JaeRell

4y

The nightmare scene had nothing to do with his mother. And visiting his parents' grave is a poor example of showing how Martha specifically had an influence on his humanity. It wasn't developed enough.

StrangeTimes

4y

If you have a problem with how it was executed take it up with Snyder, I am just defending Batman and why Batman would stop after hearing that name.

StrangeTimes

4y

Bruce Wayne losing his parents is basically his whole plot. I don't know what else more we need. It's been told a hundred times.

JaeRell

4y

Ok...but what does that have to do with the movie lacking development that shows the strong influence Martha had on his humanity?

BRAVE

4y

I understand that, and yeah Batman’s reason for stopping at hearing Martha is perfectly explained and makes sense. The problem is: Batman is not the only facet of that moment, there’s also Superman’s reason for saying the name Martha - and that is what makes the moment illogical

(We can talk about how Snyder only cared to make the Batman part of that make any sense and not Superman but that’s another convo)

StrangeTimes

4y

"The movie starts off with the Wayne's murder. As they are dying, Thomas looks to his wife and calls out to her. "Martha!"

The whole reason Bruce Wayne got really mad at Superman in the first place was because of the little girl in Metropolis. She was crying because she got separated from her mother. When Bruce asked her where her mother was, she pointed to the destroyed building. That's the first time that Bruce showed actual anger towards Superman as he looked to the sky and held the little girl in his arms.

We later have a scene of him going to put flowers on his mother's tomb. As he stands before it, blood seeps through the stone. A giant bat like creature then pops out of the tomb. Not Thomas' tomb, Martha's."

JaeRell

4y

None this actually shows how his mother specifically influenced the humanity in him. It just shows a vague connection he has with his mother.

Once Superman shouts "Martha"...you are supposed to assume his mother had a strong influence on his humanity. The instances in the movie do not show that. They just show he is still dealing with the loss of his mother. Which is why the Martha moment is poorly developed and so many people had a problem with it.

StrangeTimes

4y

Superman appeared in court to surrender but got framed for the explosion

StrangeTimes

4y

We need a whole movie of his childhood tbh

Mr Anderson

4y

Hoping for batman beyond

SUPERMAN

4y

You know why thats stupid? Because in any other situation Bruce is a know it all. He usually has the ability to discern some s***.

Just imagine Kevin Conroy saying
" why would he surrender if he's just gonna blow up the court room? He hasn't shown any radical behavior before. Maybe someone wanted us to think he's a monster"

Cause it's not like he hasn't encountered villainous masterminds before.

Idk maybe I'm asking to much detective work from the "greatest detective"

BRAVE

4y

Hey if we’re not shown that Clark found out Bruce’s mother’s name was Martha, that’s on the filmmakers and our assumptions don’t count. So Clark didn’t know beforehand.

One can appreciate Snyder’s goal to have Batman find humanity in Superman, but the way that goal was achieved was illogical and goofy because:

• if Superman doesn’t even know Batman’s mother’s name is Martha, for all he knows that would just be a random person to Batman, so why would Superman be stupid enough to think saying some random woman’s name would save him? Thank god they just so happened to have the same name cause if not...it could’ve been a cold day for Superman
• why wouldn’t Superman just say “we need to save my mother”? That should appeal to anyone’s humanity just as much as saying Martha. But Snyder wanted to point out their mother’s had the same name so bad he didn’t think about the logic of it
• if the film showed that Clark found out/realized he and Bruce’s moms had the same name, the Martha moment would have been a payoff because it would have shown Clark mindfucking Bruce to snap out of trying to murder someone by saying “we need to save Martha”

Now let’s be clear, any filmmaker pointing out that Batman and Superman’s moms have the same name in such a serious movie is goofy regardless of how it’s done and only works in comedy. But there was a way to go about it, and BvS’s way was not it

3Dots

4y

Bro I just want a Martian Manhunter movie

3Dots

4y

Bro I just want a Martian Manhunter movie

Xile44

4y

They need to expand on the bat family and just go for a Batman movie verse then

SUPERMAN

4y

Aye how is Superman all powerful if Batman couldve killed him?

There's loads of people who Superman struggles against. He's just stronger than Batman so yall call him OP.

He make yall feel powerless and insecure. Thats why yall relate to Maga Batman