I hope people realize the origins of slavery were largely not intrinsic to race, it was about access to slaves economically of which were black because of the geopolitics of Europe and Africa...the "racism" element as we'd currently understand socially came later as a result of conditioning among colonial settlers to only associate being black with being slaves and thus inferior. Like people seem to get it mixed up historically, they didn't go to Africa to find slaves because they needed the slaves to be black, it's the opposite way around, they ended up getting black slaves because they wanted slaves and Africa was available - hence why many Africans literally sold slaves to the western colonizers and there were black slave owners in pre-America colonies as early as the 1600s...
This isn't to say there was not "racism" in the sense of prejudice among societies (people of different skin colors have thought each other were weird or "others" for centuries...europeans didn't even think Italians were people for centuries because they were slightly tan) but i think people cannot decouple modern racial practices from back then - "racism" was mostly a social prejudice which often worked two ways, and varied between societies as a matter of cultural supremacy/chauvinism - it wasn't like a systematic or even macro-cultural phenomenon, and also often it wasn't intrinsic to "race" in the way we think about now but rather culture or place of origin.

Tbh it’s not America. It has long existed throughout the ages over wars and changing borders then assimilation. It has existed through the Old World.

You can't say stuff like "the start of the transatlantic slave trade" then cus thats referring to the global trade too lol. Also you had mentioned Columbus who actually never stepped foot in North America at all so me and others were confused by that.

I'd also still contest that a bit since the slaves sent to what we now refer to as the U.S were British traded slaves sent to a British colony. That was to serve British development.

Some did, black people owned white slaves, natives owned slaves etc. Western Society has done a masterful attempt at fracturing and traumatizing the minds of us Negro Americans however, the timeline and history of slavery has never once been told truthfully.

There's a complete timeline that started back in Europe from the Dark ages to the Renaissance that hasn't been covered in full. We're seeing the end of an extremely drawn out war.

It's complex and getting to the bottom of it shows how that only slavery and creating the diaspora could separate us from rulership.

Once that part of history is unearthed, it'll enhance ones understanding on why we're targeted heavily in multimedia, artwork, education, family structure etc.

American educarion is a joke lmao

Slavery goes even prior to that

Modern racism was actually formed in America so it’s hilarious seeing people trash OP on the first page telling him to read a book. OP said modern, not racism in general.

it does but i was replying to his comment on the transatlantic trade in particular

yeah scientific/intellectual (more accurately pseudoscientific/pseudointellectual) racism came after 1776 and things like phrenology was used to retroactively justify slavery and African American’s place on the socioeconomic ladder

but ancient civilizations were still very xenophobic and definitely could be seen as “racist” with today’s colloquial definition

What about the Indian Caste system? Does that translate to Western Racism?

Well sure but when it comes to slavery you csn basically date it all the way back to ancient greece and maybe even before that.. usually back in the day slavery wasnt a concept about enslaving black people or non white people but it was more often religious motivation.. for instance.. the slavs were enslaved by spanish muslims a few hundred years AD. Thats also were the term comes from.

Now I know you probably know that but Id argue that 90% percent of americans in here never learned this in school while this is common history class in europe

Thanks for that. Yea I wasn't 100% clear on my initial statements.
The beginning of American slavery was 1619.
The Portuguese kidnapped the slaves that started the 1619 trade. Their hands have been in everything. This statement only says the Spanish but other sources detail that the kidnappers were indeed the Portuguese

Not correct. If we are talking modern racism you'd have to define what exactly. If you are talking about just considering a different race as inferior then its definitely not america that has implemented it. If we talking systemic racism and oppression then for instsnce Great Britian would like to have a word with ya

This is true for the most part but the Irish came in as indentured servants and treated as slaves but didn’t suffer the same long lasting effects. Even before racism there’s was general colorism, you even see it in countries like India where lighter complexion is seen as a good thing. It’s a form of classism to an extent since lighter skin meant you didn’t have to work manual labor outside and therefore had money.
It’s interesting to see how 2 groups of people who started with extremely negative perceptions changed through time to where black people generally still have a negative perception around them from Americans while the Irish don’t.

Yes you stupid ass nigga

Please don't have a kid together yall both dumb

Niggas think slavery started with uncle Tom's cabin

The board has been so f***ing bad this week it's always bad but damn

ppl this stupid shouldnt be allowed access to the internet

I’m talking about white vs black people in general regardless of nation origin and genetics. Gotta understand that the romans and other empires enslaved other whites because they viewed themselves as fundamentally different. There was NO shared identity due to skin color. Historically with progressive ancient empires blacks were able to live among society and practice religion, trade, and become rulers. Hell chattel slavery wasn’t a thing until North America needed to be built from scratch.

I mean look how empires treated Somalia and Ethiopia back in the scramble for Africa. Treated them better than other Africans and even classified them as “white” because of their genetics and facial features. America didn’t give a f***. You’re black in America and you were enslaved and given no respect.

Slavs, Italians, and Irishmen getting along was damn near unheard of until the American government needed to pit them against freed niggas so that union less workers can not feel as bad about their life’s and get angry at them, while they being fleeced by huge oil companies. The same way the media pushes poor hillbilly whites against blacks today despite there being 0 reason for us to hate each other. Of course prejudice has always existed. But not to a degree where ethnic lines team up based on color and color alone.

The question is way more complex than what someone with a surface level of history would understand. So not surprised by the replies itt clowning op as most Americans don’t know s*** about history or geography.

extremely

To be fair Irish and Italian people were still getting lynched in the US until a bit after WW2. I agree though colorism is definitely a bit of a separate thing which has been historically true, but colorism isn't necessarily racism in that it often happens between people of the same race and origin (i.e. India as you mentioned yourself) because there it was thought of as being tied to class and therefore genealogy. The place of black people in the US is definitely interesting but I'd probably say it's in part due to a lot of factors other than race itself just because of how history and culture developed here. I still would really believe there's another timeline where it's possible Irish and/or Italian and Black americans could have traded places in modern society had like 1 or 2 events happened differently.
It's also kinda weird to see people saying that "modern" racism is exclusively originated to America though when there was historical oppression in like Rome, early Christian Europe, etc. which, while partially tied to culture, was largely ethnicity based. I mean even in pre-colonial Africa and pre-colonial America there was a sense of tribal hatred among indigenous people. Also don't even get me started on the middle east or south asia. despite popular belief it wasn't utopia there prior to colonization (not that colonization helped ethnic tensions by any means)