Jul 13, 2020·1 replyYea Drake is a great rapper. His understanding of relationships is amazing.
Jul 14, 2020I like Drake and I think he does have nuggets of depth in his music on occasion, but the comparison is weird af. Also I wouldn't say depth is simply about being relatable, but more so insightful
Jul 14, 2020
mannigraFischer was spitting facts with that post, and he’s pretty niche so the idea that he’s widely thought of as this generations greatest philosopher is ridiculous
I was referring to Drake tbh
in many ways the s*** he say is what our generation is relating to
Jul 14, 2020·1 reply
birdtrue true
with "needs to be said" i mean it in the sense of when you're inspired to create and you create something, "need" would be the thing that drives you to create
well yeah, i can definitely see that, especially since inspiration and own creative ideas have been kinda important to me as of late
Jul 14, 2020OP im a bad boy who wants to be yr little s*** but People mistake specificity for depth, Drake doesn’t speak on highly specific experiences like Earl but he still hits the same level of depth if not more.
9/Gods Plan/Nice For What/etc.. are as deep as any Earl song, Drake is just coming from a different angle. Drake is trying to find the links that connect everyone together while Earl is looking for the few people who can speak his language. Opposite approaches, one is descriptive, other is prescriptive. More on that eventually.
Lines like "I feel good, sometimes I don't" & "Tryna keep it peaceful is a struggle for me" break the human experience down to its most fundamental levels, exposing core feelings we all share. Communicating those feelings in a way that resonates with billions takes a deep understanding of emotions and knowing how to leave enough space for listeners to exist. Stepping aside and leaving space for listeners is the most critical part, because you have to eschew the specificities of your own experience and allow the feeling to exist in and of itself. This type of depth is deceptively simple but drake prioritizes BEING deep over APPEARING deep.
"Can't get me on the line so they hang me out to dry for it" vs "fishy niggas stick to eating off of hooks"- Jul 14, 2020
Love this, YES op! You’re right. Drake delivers life lessons and breaks down the human condition in unbelievably relatable and digestable ways. All the while he’s still catchy, exciting and confidence-boosting. Earl on the other hands...I like his music a lot but when I listen to him I feel like I’m reading a Tolkien novel....
Jul 14, 2020Well that was a new one
- OPJul 14, 2020Lit
well yeah, i can definitely see that, especially since inspiration and own creative ideas have been kinda important to me as of late
bet :)
at least in my case when im inspired its usually something that i NEED to express - OPJul 14, 2020Cash Dodgers
Yea Drake is a great rapper. His understanding of relationships is amazing.
- OPJul 14, 2020·1 reply
hey man relaxi interpreted it as op speaking on emotional depth
being less specific lyrically leaves the listener room to travel in their own minds by connecting dots with their own personal experiences, making it an experience of emotional depth for a wider range of people
the key to this, however, is to provide the listener with the “rabbit hole” aka a seemingly vague line that can trigger a certain more specific memory of the listener, or just allow them to draw their own conclusions of what it means, resulting in a deeper emotional experience
for example, the line “i feel good sometimes i dont“, can trigger a memory in the listener’s head of a hard time they went through, like a loved one of theirs passing away. Maybe this line will help them come to terms with the reality that balance must exist in this world, and that with the bad times there will also be great memories that make it all worth it
They connect these dots themselves and it helps one to personally invest themselves in the song, this is why you see people have such an emotional attachment to certain artists who go about their songwriting in this way. To me that is most certainly depth
i would disagree with op in the sense that i believe earl implements this songwriting style at times as well, and drake also implements a much more specific style of storytelling at times
drake actually does a really interesting thing where he will start out a verse super specific and personal, then fade out to the more open style that i have previously discussed, only to come to the end of the verse by bringing it full-circle back to that specific style. Too Much is a perfect example of this
yes!!!! these type of lines elevate the listener to co-creator!!! thats why i love them so much!!
earl does it too, i dont really think one is deeper than the other. its just that since earl tends to be more complex & specific people think his music has more emotional depth.
- Jul 14, 2020·1 replybird
yes!!!! these type of lines elevate the listener to co-creator!!! thats why i love them so much!!
earl does it too, i dont really think one is deeper than the other. its just that since earl tends to be more complex & specific people think his music has more emotional depth.
there was an incredible thread on ktt1 regarding this topic but i cant find it
- OPJul 14, 2020·1 replyhey man relax
there was an incredible thread on ktt1 regarding this topic but i cant find it
link it if you do
what was it specifically about? might remember
- Jul 14, 2020·1 replybird
link it if you do
what was it specifically about? might remember
it was about comparing specific writing to non-specific, but the op had terms for them that worked really well
there was a lot of good conversation in that thread, ill try to find it. Almost positive it was on ktt1 but it’s possible it was on here
- Jul 14, 2020
side-note: many of the most highly-respected writers currently, whether it be Lorde, Frank, Kendrick etc, are able to constantly flow from specific to non-specific in a seamless way
- OPJul 14, 2020·1 replyhey man relax
it was about comparing specific writing to non-specific, but the op had terms for them that worked really well
there was a lot of good conversation in that thread, ill try to find it. Almost positive it was on ktt1 but it’s possible it was on here
- Jul 14, 2020·edited·1 replybird
https://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=8183115.msg536448307;topicseen#msg536448307 this?
YES!! there should be a hall of fame just for this thread and it’s replies
- OPJul 14, 2020·1 replyhey man relax
YES!! there should be a hall of fame just for this thread and it’s replies
faxxx!!
Jul 14, 2020earl tight but
- Jul 14, 2020·1 replybird
faxxx!!
is the op of that thread on here? i saw you were in that thread as well lol
been thinking about those concepts a lot lately regarding the worship of people rather than their ideas
Jul 14, 2020
MUNCH KHINGDrake raps about shallow surface level emotions so he is as deep as Earl: The Thread
Jul 14, 2020MUNCH KHINGDrake raps about shallow surface level emotions so he is as deep as Earl: The Thread
Jul 14, 2020NiceLikeChristtheres a reason why drake bars are relatable to people from all walks of life from all corners of the world
he speaks on the human experience
- Jul 14, 2020
good post op
Jul 14, 2020I love Drake but he’s not really that deep. He’s surface level “deep”. He just say stuff people can relate to but it’s the most basic stuff.
- OPJul 14, 2020hey man relax
is the op of that thread on here? i saw you were in that thread as well lol
been thinking about those concepts a lot lately regarding the worship of people rather than their ideas
not sure if he is
true same