Andre Jaquet

2y

by the way, kanye is not known to be the best lyricist at all but hes considered top 5 in terms of most important people in the genre

Nightcrawlers

2y

Because Carti is the one that the internet loves right now. This is no different than Kanye f***ing with XXX and Tekashi in 2018

Kanye attaches himself to anyone that's popping it's not just Carti

Andre Jaquet

2y

focused on the brand
describes an element of the sound of a part of his last album

I cannot handle you people

Free YoungBoy

2y

XXX was talented as f***

Nightcrawlers

2y

That is branding. It's how he markets himself alongside the "vamp" aesthetic

AGoodBoyo

2y

He’s never rapped a day in his life.

deleteduser579

2y

no, they do to most people lol

when people think of all time great artists they aren’t thinking of Thug, Future or whomever, they are thinking of niggas like JAY-Z and Nas’ niggas that have shown an ability to write introspective s***, make hits, wordplay, essentially the entire package, it’s never contained to just melodic enjoyment and vibes my guy lol

the machine is the reason why Kendrick just came off a sold out tour? same with Drake? are you gonna keep it a stack with me right now? there’s no other reason you can fathom why people still actively anticipate their music above all the other newer artists currently in the genre?

you don’t even have a coherent argument at this point man, we’re discussing songwriting, technical rapping ability is a facet of songwriting, a facet of technical rapping ability is understanding tone because understanding tone is a part of songwriting

Free YoungBoy

2y

Nobody actually listens to music for aesthetics. You guys are just exposing yourselves with this take. Normal people don’t do that. And if you think they do you’re just telling on yourself

Free YoungBoy

2y

Nobody actually listens to music for aesthetics. You guys are just exposing yourselves with this take. Normal people don’t do that. And if you think they do you’re just telling on yourself

Nightcrawlers

2y

Absolutely not Carti doesn't have the range, he arguably makes the same song every time

Andre Jaquet

2y

except your evidence means jack s***, your whole s*** is flawed

who says that though. You? yes i am referencing older music, it doesnt make me an old head to do that lol. whos higher on an alltime list is subjective. I dont care about your preference in music its worthless to me. The question is their legacy and place in the genre. There are plenty of legends(which im using interchangeably with a great) in every genre that arent focused on lyrics, those were multiple examples. I dont care what rap nerds hold in high regard, yall have s***ted on the music thats most core to where the genre comes from for years and theres a million biases and dumb criteria that determines this- the fact that your examples are all basic artsy core projects like to pimp a butterfly, the blueprint, college dropout shows me just how shallow your knowledge really is. You have no ability to process any of the levels im trying to take you to. Those people are still cemented in history and core figures of hip hop and music as a whole for what they did
and they did it WITHOUT a lyrical focus
There are plenty of rnb singers who are just great ass singers and are cemented because of that
Plenty of rock bands thats lyrics were damn near nonsense especially when you get into slacker rock, progressive rock, metal, punk rock, especially poppier acts that are still deserving of a high spot there and are essential to the history of the genre.

Nightcrawlers

2y

Carti would literally be a regular soundcloud era artist like Uzi if he still sounded like Self-Titled

He started pushing that Punk aesthetic since Die Lit and pushed even further with WLR

It sets him apart. It's literally aesthetic

Nightcrawlers

2y

Carti would literally be a regular soundcloud era artist like Uzi if he still sounded like Self-Titled

He started pushing that Punk aesthetic since Die Lit and pushed even further with WLR

It sets him apart. It's literally aesthetic

Andre Jaquet

2y

funny how i never said that, it has been the case this is changing. Again, stop misrepresenting me because i refuse your actually this f***ing dumb and not doing this with malicious intent. In your circles, they may praise the pen more. Your bubble or internet rap nerd circles arent reflective of reality everywhere

Free YoungBoy

2y

Yeah let’s ignore how his music changed a ton from SoundCloud era to die lit era, and then changed even more from die lit era to WLR.

Nightcrawlers

2y

Ignore? My post just said exactly what you said lmao

deleteduser579

2y

you’re s***ting on “oldheads” on this site, but you’re using older music to prop up your point that simplistic music can be considered “great”

so if that’s the case, why don’t oldheads understand the greatness of Carti, if they also would’ve most likely came into contact with this older simplistic music? any idea? you have to pick one

i haven’t really been shoveling in my preference of music in here this entire time, most of these albums that are highly respected have strong writing in addition to good production—and the fact you called Blueprint artsy core really goes to show you have no idea what you’re even talking about at this stage

i never denied that Future, Gucci and Thug are demented in hip-hop history, they just aren’t ranked over other better artists in an all time list; i can recognize that even if i don’t like their music

most of the greatest R&B singers were not only excellent singers, they were also (yet again) good writers, and the genres you named are more predicated on attitude and instrumentation versus writing, when people speak of rock broadly, they aren’t thinking of progressive rock, or metal they're thinking of Nirvana or The Rolling Stones

Andre Jaquet

2y

yes that doesnt make me an old head
are you okay? are you having some type of episode?
idk you tell me why they dont since you are one.
Yes blueprint is highly regarded in the "traditionally artistic" lens that discriminates against southern artists and black expression beyond what they see as socially acceptable.
It doesnt matter if they are, then you admit an artist can be an all time great in their genre without having lyrical substance
Just because most doesnt mean all, carti can still be an all time great even if he never has an introspective moment again in his career

You do not need lyrics to be an all time great

Nightcrawlers

2y

Ignore? My post just said exactly what you said lmao

Andre Jaquet

2y

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in what world are these the same songs

Andre Jaquet

2y

Who's most people? If im anywhere in the south, they are gonna rate future higher than half the people you just listed. white people typing on internet forums and washed up 30+ year olds? is that who?
You havent been able to represent a single thing ive said correctly but your calling me

Technical rapping ability has nothing to do with tone bro. You literally are just wrong. The universally known best technical rappers are people like ka, doom, big L, black thought, Lupe
what makes them that is that the s*** they write every line has some type of wordplay, the rhyme schemes are exceptionally complex, their ability to craft double and triple entendres, thats technical rapping ability
Ka is literally monotone and has a similar flow on every song hes on. You don't know the worsd your saying.
Technical rapping ability is as much a facet of songwriting as any other part of a song u can orchestrate bro, the songwriting of a song being good depends on the songs goals,
if your a good technical rapper that doesnt make you a good songwriter it just makes you a good rapper. Evident by all the battle rappers that have great technical like king los but arent good songwriters. They can't make bridges, hooks, connect certain dots lyrically or sonically to form a cohesive work. An example of great songwriting would be Kanye west MBDTF or TLOP, and there are exmaples of great songwriting moments on there that are the least lyrical on the album.

Andre Jaquet

2y

in what world are these the same songs

Nightcrawlers

2y

"Carti would literally be a regular soundcloud era artist like Uzi if he still sounded like Self-Titled"

If he still sounded like self titled

If he still sounded like self titled

Andre Jaquet

2y

yes that doesnt make me an old head
are you okay? are you having some type of episode?
idk you tell me why they dont since you are one.
Yes blueprint is highly regarded in the "traditionally artistic" lens that discriminates against southern artists and black expression beyond what they see as socially acceptable.
It doesnt matter if they are, then you admit an artist can be an all time great in their genre without having lyrical substance
Just because most doesnt mean all, carti can still be an all time great even if he never has an introspective moment again in his career

You do not need lyrics to be an all time great