big dog giovanni

2y

You need to be locked in a mental institution

deleteduser579

2y

most people who aren’t biased and aren’t so regionally locked, that they’re gonna disingenuously put Future over JAY-Z or Nas you arguing that some random f***off who isn’t even into music is most likely gonna put Future higher on an all time list than these other artists isn’t really much of an argument at all

Big L wasn’t even that technical of a rapper dude, he primarily employed end rhymes with a cool internal scheme on occasion, he shined lyrically and with his punchlines, Ka is extremely abstract lyrically half the time and his style of rapping is pretty boring to me personally, he injects no energy into his rapping, at least someone like Milo can keep it abstract and somewhat interesting lyrically at the same time while utilizing a deadpan flow; the only dude on there that even fits the bill here is DOOM

i never said if you’re a good technical rapper that it makes you a good songwriter, i define songwriting while factoring in technical rapping ability and the way it’s utilized artistically within the context of a song, you’re the one that’s separating them

Andre Jaquet

2y

true however you made aclear point to say its the aesthetic that seperated him, when he just evolved

Free YoungBoy

2y

How is he pretending to be a vampire? Because he’s wearing Rick Owen’s and Givenchy s***? The vampire s*** comes from the movie lost boys. He said he liked the outfits in the movie. He’s not pretending to be a literal vampire.

And nobody besides RYM type snobs listen to music for aesthetics. That’s a purely online thing that sad adults do. No kid is doing that if they don’t genuinely like the music

Nightcrawlers

2y

That is the aesthetic. It's everything. Carti intentionally making WLR sound brash and distorted is as intentional as his fashion and art direction on Die Lit and WLR

It's all intentional

Andre Jaquet

2y

this pretentious idea of whos "into music" just shows how close minded you really are. Plenty of people are into music and would put future over nas. Including me, nas had one f***ing album. He just was early. Big L and Ka are incredibly technical you are literally the only human on this forum who would say this. I dont care what you think is boring.

notbrock

2y

“Nobody listens to music for aesthetics besides rym types”

Bro this just an absolute flat out lie that even the other Carti fans on your side itt would disagree with. Nobody in the f***ing world would try and argue that Tyler’s image wasnt a huge reason for him blowing up

deleteduser579

2y

where did i call you an oldhead? are you even reading anything that im saying at this point?

bro literally what are you talking about nobody in their right mind considers Blueprint a f***ing artsy album you sound insane

and like i said in my previous posts, you can act like lyrics are not important to be an all time great, but in most genres yes you do

Nightcrawlers

2y

That is the aesthetic. It's everything. Carti intentionally making WLR sound brash and distorted is as intentional as his fashion and art direction on Die Lit and WLR

It's all intentional

deleteduser579

2y

that’s a lie at that too, RYMers are more likely to actually enjoy the music they listen to and dissect it than a casual nigga nine times out of ten

RYMers usually have an extremely niche hipster taste that no one even knows or cares about besides other internet nerds half the time, i don’t see what is “cool” about that at all

Free YoungBoy

2y

@edumist

Do Gucci and Future not have a catalogue of music filled with memorable lyrics, catchy songs, etc. I’m not getting what all the talk is about.

notbrock

2y

“Nobody listens to music for aesthetics besides rym types”

Bro this just an absolute flat out lie that even the other Carti fans on your side itt would disagree with. Nobody in the f***ing world would try and argue that Tyler’s image wasnt a huge reason for him blowing up

deleteduser579

2y

they do, all im saying is that they are not as great as the big 3 and they haven’t even matched any of them besides Cole max

and im also saying they probably aren’t beating a lot of older artists on an all time list, like JAY-Z, i don’t really see the controversy here at all

Free YoungBoy

2y

RYM niggas listen to s*** like city pop and vaporwave for the aesthetic. Extremely pretentious and unserious people

deleteduser579

2y

you just said Travis was a better songwriter than Eminem earlier, you can consider yourself “into music” if you’d like, but you come off as someone who got into hip-hop post-2015 and now you’re overcompensating by hyping up trap acts

notbrock

2y

Bro people listen to popular music and post it on social media to show everyone how hip they are

Like what are you f***ing talking about

Andre Jaquet

2y

Your acting as if me criticizing old heads is hypocritical because i brought up old music for a point. Thats the implication. I never said you can never bring up old music or call it great, thats not what makes an old head. I didnt say its an artsy album my point is in the traditional idea of an artistic project its far enough removed and enough mainstream appeal to easily be acceptedby people outside the culture
Lyrics arent that important though, you can be an all time great without them. It depends on the music you make. If carti had substance, his music wouldnt be good because he would sacrifice a lot.

The tradition of trap music and its subject matter has its own seperate history, its a long line tracing back to rejection of this traditional artistic image, the south, etc. But this is knowledge that of course your not even going to acknowledge because you cant go beyond surface level shallow puddle hiphopheads reddit talking points.

Andre Jaquet

2y

Yeah he is. You place too much importance on whats traditional and older. I dont think anyone would disagree with this actually whos familiar with songwriting and travis' catalogue, his whole thing is crafting great songs and being an all arounder in that aspect
Of course the guy who makes grand loved projects with excellent hooks, instrumentals, collaborations, a lot of excellent structural choices, and beautiful bridges is a better songwriter than f***ing eminem who sure is a good rapper but is literally known by now for f***ing up perfectly great song ideas with horrible beats, terrible hooks, and an aimless direction that has led to him missing the mark on almost everything he put out for the past 10 years like what

Andre Jaquet

2y

Yeah he is. You place too much importance on whats traditional and older. I dont think anyone would disagree with this actually whos familiar with songwriting and travis' catalogue, his whole thing is crafting great songs and being an all arounder in that aspect
Of course the guy who makes grand loved projects with excellent hooks, instrumentals, collaborations, a lot of excellent structural choices, and beautiful bridges is a better songwriter than f***ing eminem who sure is a good rapper but is literally known by now for f***ing up perfectly great song ideas with horrible beats, terrible hooks, and an aimless direction that has led to him missing the mark on almost everything he put out for the past 10 years like what

deleteduser579

2y

it is hypocritical, because you can’t disparage and s*** on oldheads for not liking the current state of music because they preferred their music in their time, and then bring up their music that they liked as some sort of gotcha that proves that simplistic music can be evaluated and put on a pedestal like a TPAB

LL Cool J and Sugar Hill etc are considered legends but they are not considered shining examples of the genre in modern-day hip-hop

The Blueprint is literally one of the most iconic albums probably in music history, it definitely has mainstream appeal, you just wanna discredit it because you’re caught up in some corny ass South-New York beef that is ages old, Thug and them didn’t see all of the praise and success because niggas didn’t “understand the culture” they simply didn’t make music that was as good as the other s*** that had already came out by that point and time

“muh Reddit”—not even worth anymore text than that

deleteduser579

2y

like this nigga Eminem wrote Stan, Role Model, Real Slim Shady, The Way I Am, D*** Ballad like what the f*** is even going on in here

im not even an Eminem stan either, Travis has to cover his lack of lyrical ability with a bunch of bells and whistles, that doesn’t make him a f***ing better songwriter