Record labels definitely hold some responsibility for not really caring bout these crash dummies of artists. A&R used to mean something lol

Equating this conversation to some “pull your pants up” s*** is exactly the problem lol

We can’t have open discussions questioning the effects of any type of media without being reduced to a whiny white 90s mom trying to get rap music banned. Have some damn nuance.

same reason why d*** dealing shows or movies have made a comeback at being our most revered content today, repackaged and sold cause it’s still a hood fantasy

Power and BMF hood classics rn

I tried to tell niggas that gangsta rap ruined the black community

Drill music by the far the worst iteration of it. Who I Smoke being a gold record is wild

Like i said accountability is a #nono on this site cause niggas instantly wanna pull the “respectability politics” card when it’s not even that.

We can wax poetic about the governmental neglect of social programs in the hood, the lack of functional households due to (lets be real) motherfuckas that shouldnt be parents being parents and the lack of satisfactory sex-ed courses leading to “unhappy accidents,” politicians making empty promises, unemployment, etc but we’d be beating a dead horse.

Government dont care. Never will. What can WE do?

Community outreaches, would love for the elders of hip hop to start acting like it instead of doing “young nigga cosplay”, radio stop giving a spotlight to this type of content, labels ran by cacs to stop pushing one certain type of agenda, etc.

Niggas made a dance off of naming dead black kids. If yall telling me that’s fine then yall got it. But dont shame or dismiss or clown people for trying to start the discussion on a discussion board.

Noname said it best we too can cause harm like I don’t get what is the problem acknowledging that much.

Only thing you can do is make a difference where you can. S*** is too far gone to solve and sadly never will be.

So real

Accountability or the idea of us trying to make things better ourselves is looked at crazy these days, it’s not just this site. Everyone has that defeatist attitude of “there’s nothing we can do” which is pretty sad

Most people are unhappy with the way things are but with this attitude being the norm, people will never get together and work to make anything better. The divide and conquer and brainwashing of this social media s*** has worked to a t

And even if that difference is small or personal to you or your family then it’s still something

People under a certain age will look at you crazy if you suggest anything about making any progress in society. They’re so programmed to say “we can’t do anything it is what it is”. Which isn’t their fault given the world they grew up in but defeatism isn’t the move at all, it just feeds into it and makes things worse if we accept it

The funniest part is the spitting image of gangsta rap is Pac who was an art kid who was also (some believe bisexual) flamboyant & socially conscious

Suge Knight was a cancer.

Thug life will forever be the version of himself he had to play into to make it out, Suge kept him in chains & took any choice he was going to have at 25

Ehhhhh very complex topic. Given pac started thug life in 1994 and already was changing his content to more street s***, it’s hard to put that entirely on suge in that way. Pac wanted to go that direction anyway. But suge and the environment were bad for pac for sure

Pac met Haitian Jack and decided he wanted to be him. Took method acting for Above the Rim too far. Pac was a performer and he was already playing roles to the public before suge. He had chosen his next role

That last part is such an oversimplification of Tupac and his relationship with the streets.

i mean the whole meaning behind thug life is complex because we know it’s about the hate and oppression that creates a “thug” and he was living that out, Suge knew that he could easily step outside of his hands and build his own s*** is what i mean though

If u not from that community don’t listen to that music

Then please stfu nigga no clue why y’all bring s*** like this to ktt

With Niggas who only understand Travis Scott and Kendrick Lamar

Yeah man definitely not COINTELPRO, not the crack epidemic, not black people being segregated and ghettoized, not redlining, not cops being able to murder black people with impunity, not systematic incarceration, not racial bias in jobs and education. It’s the rappers for sure.

Pooh sheisty that’s my dawg

this is a tragedy fr

Smh sad s***

Fair but as I led with, it’s a complex topic. Obviously it goes deeper than that but Haitian Jack seems to have been more of an influential figure on where Pac went than Suge is what I was getting at. Pac probably felt the way hip hop was changing in the early 90s and so he started to adapt to what Dre and then were doing and moving away from Public Enemy influence