Equating this conversation to some “pull your pants up” s*** is exactly the problem lol
We can’t have open discussions questioning the effects of any type of media without being reduced to a whiny white 90s mom trying to get rap music banned. Have some damn nuance.
Yeah man definitely not COINTELPRO, not the crack epidemic, not black people being segregated and ghettoized, not redlining, not cops being able to murder black people with impunity, not systematic incarceration, not racial bias in jobs and education. It’s the rappers for sure.
The gangsta rap conspiracy is the 90s version of cointel pro
Just seeing this, wow lol
And I’m sure a lot of people are defending this as “it’s just words”
The gangsta rap conspiracy is the 90s version of cointel pro
no the f*** it isn’t lmao
Record labels definitely hold some responsibility for not really caring bout these crash dummies of artists. A&R used to mean something lol
Def cause they push this heavily
no the f*** it isn’t lmao
The extent of that conspiracy will come out one day, but I fully believe that the sharp turn mainstream rap took in the early 90s was entirely the doing of the government according to a calculated plan
And today’s music is the same thing, meant to dumb down and make people hyper aggressive and hyper sexual so they will buy more and stay poor
Dr Dre is definitely a paid actor in all this. And they probably killed pac and big
Gangsta rap was always pushed by the government. The US government promoted The Chronic to be as impactful as it was imo
expand on this
expand on this
There’s a popular conspiracy theory that’s been around for years that says in the late 80s (maybe early 90s) there was a government meeting to determine the direction of rap going in a new way to promote violence and d**** to keep the black communities f***ed up
Before a certain point, hip hop had street s*** in it but positivity was baked in. And the government probably feared acts like KRS and Public Enemy who were spreading so much knowledge to poor black people
Then the positivity was eroded, mostly by hugely popular music connected with Dr Dre that made positive s*** less trendy
It’s interesting to think about California stripping the positivity from hip hop with its proximity to Hollywood, which would’ve already been well versed in manipulating the public through art, and already had a direct line to the White House
I believe the incedent where NWA received an actual letter from the White House about F*** The Police was actually staged and promotion done by the US government to blow them up. And I think they then put a lot of money into making Chronic and Doggystyle the biggest hip hop albums to that point by far, to try and wipe out the positive stuff as much as possible
Yeah man definitely not COINTELPRO, not the crack epidemic, not black people being segregated and ghettoized, not redlining, not cops being able to murder black people with impunity, not systematic incarceration, not racial bias in jobs and education. It’s the rappers for sure.
Those played apart of it
But gangsta rap made black people take on the hood/street aesthetic as their identity and glorified it to the point where we are now that we got 12 year olds making rap songs about shooting up the block because the elders around them fell for the idea of “street fame” and are passing it on to the next generation
You know what I don’t like about you ktt niggas, y’all pick and choose a lot of ya’ll hate on drill talking about how negative it is how it’s ruining the youth with d*** and gun rap but in the same breath talk about how much of a legend most trap rappers are like gucci mane and others praising even tho it’s the SAME S*** AS DRILL! There’s no difference trap and drill are both one in the same, both speak on the same s***.. and then y’all have a nerve to praise chief keef like son isn’t one of the main pioneer of this s*** so let’s stop the bullshit
Outside of the Gucci Mane "The Truth" when has Gucci really did any drill music he always talked about more of being a D-boy from East Atlanta and to put it out bluntly Gucci was in his late 20s when he got big,
He was not sum 16 year old kid yelling out death threats on a beat and putting about how he wants to kill this kid and that kid from a different block
How many rappers done got beat up or shot over this trap s***? We've been hearing stories since we was younger I’m just saying most drill Artist are heavy trap influenced yes less violent but it’s still the same s***
Fam “drill” is literally slang for shooting
Trap about selling d**** and kicking doors and possibly killing a nigga this all just gangsta rap
How does this change what I said? It isn’t “all just gangsta rap”. Drill has always had a reputation for being noticeably more violent than gangster rap and it’d be ignorant to act like it isn’t
I keep forgetting accountability is a #nono on this site.
Show me the 7-8 year old that was rapping about drive bys and pushing bricks in the 90s lololol
Show me the niggas dropping names in the 90s that wasnt Pac lololol
Yall got it tho.
@Josuke all these mofos just being obtuse to prove a point, meanwhile they still aint gave an answer to any of these questions lol
The difference between something like drill and other violent media is that the latter is largely fictional. Part of drill/trap's popularity is due to the authenticity of (some) those artists. It's not all just raps, there are real lives that have been taken or ruined behind the music.
Drill also kinda encourages a "spectator" angle from some of its listeners. The rappers name and diss other real gang members. They go live together on instagram so the parasocial fans can interact while they talk about killing each other.
I won't act like I'm not a fan of Young Nudy and G Herbo, but I also won't discount the idea that all this s*** does more harm than good.
When Mozzy went on Vlad and straight up said he was going to use his rap money to buy more guns and start pushing a line on mfs that's when I kinda realized I cant say I dont support the "violence" .....
I'm over here listening to his songs that promote a gang war, glorify mentioning how they've been upping the score, and calling the dead opposition out by name.
Drill fans cant lie to themselves and say they dont "support the violence" there's a reason you listening to sum trash ass 16 year olds yelling on a beat about murdering everyone they dont fw around their hood
How does this change what I said? It isn’t “all just gangsta rap”. Drill has always had a reputation for being noticeably more violent than gangster rap and it’d be ignorant to act like it isn’t
I grew up listening to way too much gangsta rap, and the content within those albums was about murdering, pimping, stealing and selling dope. So I agree there is a distinction, but trap is just a sub genre of gangsta rap. Just like ice cube said, they are just telling the reality of their environment. @OP wants them to stop making trap music because it’s “ ruining the world ”; But these people still live in that environment, so they should be silent?
The main difference with trap is that it feels more personal because anyone can make art and upload it nowadays. This thread is making an invalid argument anyways because crime has gone down tremendously.
It’s just that we can see the effects of capitalism and the culture of Violence and racism on full display.
I wish trap music didn’t exist, but the traps do exist, and so does the extreme poverty that create these conditions.
When Mozzy went on Vlad and straight up said he was going to use his rap money to buy more guns and start pushing a line on mfs that's when I kinda realized I cant say I dont support the "violence" .....
I'm over here listening to his songs that promote a gang war, glorify mentioning how they've been upping the score, and calling the dead opposition out by name.
Drill fans cant lie to themselves and say they dont "support the violence" there's a reason you listening to sum trash ass 16 year olds yelling on a beat about murdering everyone they dont fw around their hood
Yeah there's no way to really reconcile with it. But I also feel similarly about other aspects of rap, or consumption in general. So much of what we enjoy comes prepackaged in cognitive dissonance because of the system we're in. Drill is just a microcosm of our f***ed up reality.
It honestly goes back to Doggystyle/NWA
50 took it to another level…then Jeezy…
Chief Keef/YB created the modern version of it
I grew up listening to way too much gangsta rap, and the content within those albums was about murdering, pimping, stealing and selling dope. So I agree there is a distinction, but trap is just a sub genre of gangsta rap. Just like ice cube said, they are just telling the reality of their environment. @OP wants them to stop making trap music because it’s “ ruining the world ”; But these people still live in that environment, so they should be silent?
The main difference with trap is that it feels more personal because anyone can make art and upload it nowadays. This thread is making an invalid argument anyways because crime has gone down tremendously.
It’s just that we can see the effects of capitalism and the culture of Violence and racism on full display.
I wish trap music didn’t exist, but the traps do exist, and so does the extreme poverty that create these conditions.
This thread is making an invalid argument anyways because crime has gone down tremendously.
Overall the crime especially in murder has been a historical down you have to agree but for African Americans living in the hood that aint true ....
The hood aint safe at all buddy cities all over the east coast/south are worse than they were in the 90s since 2020 started
since the first chart stops at 2015 use the bottom stat to see the current murder rate