old style mixtapes like this just dont exist anymore because its all about putting everything on paid streaming platforms

Beans is insane breh dude is goated

Streaming and social media killed music

Especially hip hop

nigga a lot of them are you serious, does jay z have formal music education, dmx? Brian Eno reared an entire subgenre of music while also leading with the fact that he had no sort of foundation in music education , Kanye f***ing west

I agree with this, but even the artists who don't have formal music training at least had a great amount of respect and know-how for the genre, and also what it required to be great at it.

You don't see a lot of that these days. You can't have both no formal music training, and no respect for the genre/craft or the artists who paved the way before them. It will always lead to cheap music that seems more like a get rich quick scheme more than actual artistry.

People will call someone like Playboi Carti ass, and I won't really argue that because that's definitely subjective. What I will say is that Carti is one of the handful of "newer" (been around since the early 2010s) artists who at least respects the artists who established the foundation of the genre and is knowledgeable about it. Which is likely why he's been able to make projects that are good at capturing a particular feel/vibe IE: Whole Lotta Red and Music.

historically there have been many artists with no formal training who still were able to built a musical vocabulary because they were influenced by the classics, so they borrowed and incorporated ideas even if unintentionally. this happened across genres ofc but Kurt Cobain is a good example of it: completely self-taught but very clearly talented

today though it's different and idk if it's cus of social media or cultural changes but that's the reality

Fatality

so you misread op

I’m not saying rappers need to learn music theory dawg I said study your craft. You bringing up Jay Z like he wasnt brought up under Jaz is crazy hilarious

like @localblaccmane said…

but even the artists who don't have formal music training at least had a great amount of respect and know-how for the genre, and also what it required to be great at it.

You don't see a lot of that these days. You can't have both no formal music training, and no respect for the genre/craft or the artists who paved the way before them. It will always lead to cheap music that seems more like a get rich quick scheme more than actual artistry.

gonna edit op:

STUDYING YOUR CRAFT DOES NOT MEAN LEARNING MUSIC THEORY.

i agree was just adding to the convo

Consumers have become the artists tho, it’s never been so easy to be a professional rapper and enter the industry than it has been in recent years.

Just wanna make sure folks (not you) dont try to act fake obtuse about what I/video in op mean by studying the craft.

Niggas brought up yb who rapped over a 4:44 beat.

Labels don’t give a f*** all there see is trends.

i think the entry barrier for rap is pretty much nonexistent these days too, back in the day you needed to invest in a sampler or a drum machine or turntables or something but you needed some kind of equipment and you had to know how to use it! today you can just pirate whatever cus everything is digital, but in other genres like rock other you still need to buy the actual instruments lol

Nigga that’s how it is now. Actually how it’s been for years.

my fault didn’t really read op but I watched the video she’s implying formal music education is a miss? at least that’s what it seems like to me, of course I agree that contextualizing music & music history better & having references can be invaluable to artists I don’t think many people would argue that, but also the beauty of it is also that every artists journey can look different

totally agree with this

Not having formal music education doesn't mean you can't still pick up things through practice which is where the working on your craft part comes into play

Ye didnt have formal education but he picked up certain aspects of it through discipline, 3 beats a day and by remaking beats from his favorite albums. Same goes with the beatles who learned music theory with no formal education by replaying other people's song

Hiphop is dead

Father stretch my hands was one of the most popular hip hop songs of 2016 and ye said f*** all on that record. It sounded great though. Panda another popular record. This was 10 years ago lmao.

I told y'all years ago on here how cringe it is that we have to watch these new fans and rappers learn rap/ how to rap in real time

The Beatles were playing Chuck Berry, Elvis, Buddy Holly and Little Richards records back to back to back, slowing em down learning all the melodies all the chord progressions
Tf u on bruh

Theres always been a part of mainstream hip hop dedicated to memes and catchy bangers like vanilla ice or ot genesis but the artists who consistently sell and remain on the top have always been great lyricists UNTIL the most recent iteration of the underground i.e. che osamason etc

Exactly

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