If you're driven to the right because you have to understand that class, gender identity, sexuality are all linked, and ultimately for examples sake, when the Black lesbian trans woman is free we are all free...

You're not really a leftist to begin with. This is very reminiscent of people who think decolonization politics are fighting for an ethnostate.

It's not at that point yet where we can just do away with those factors though.

Ideally we don't use any one thing against someone as a person but just acknowledge how things have been set up to favor one type of person over another while punishing another harsher than the first

^ i have no clue wtf im trying to say in that last sentence so just disregard that s*** lmao

Solidarity between white working class and people of colour in highly developed economies had always existed until the last ten years. When traditionally left people vote for people like Boris Johnson, you have a problem not with the right, but with the left

No, no, no.

We need solidarity with each other while acknowledging said differences in experience and marginalization. This is reductionist mess.

You can't simply ignore someone's identity and how it effects how they are marginalized.

Read more Black lesbians and Black transwomen on the subject of why that is harmful.

Dam u called it

Nobody is denying difference or the celebration of difference here. Or reducing complexity into one simple whole. I’m against using identity markers as a way to guide our struggles against capitalism. The fact that pink nationalism exists or that Israel promotes tourism through the lens of homosexuality in order to attract queer folks to Tel Aviv is the state of identity politics today.

One thing that Baudrillard got right is that capitalism always appropriates our methods of resistance to repackage it and sell it back to us watered down

I’m not against intersectionality. I’m opposed to using identity and its politics as a means to lead progress. Look at what having a black president for the American empire cost the world.

What you are describing is representation politics. Your language is incorrect and criticisms misdirected.

Identity politics is a b******isation of representational politics. Come on, you bring black trans women over and over again but can’t you see that their whole identity is a deconstruction of itself since they are overcome the normativity of womanhood in the first place?

Postcolonial feminists will also argue that the western definitions of womanhood, for example, always exclude women from the post colonies, from less developed countries. A woman in the United States has no commonality with a woman from Uzbekistan that allows for a concrete solidarity. A Muslim woman from Iran might be against the feminist narratives in London. If you follow the postcolonial argument, you’d see that a global emancipatory movement on the basis of “womanhood,” it’s just exercising hegemonic power

You really need to stop disrespecting the work of women that understand this far better than you do. And I'll repeat again you need to read transwomen because it's very clear you don't understand what womanhood looks like for a lot of transwomen.

Identity politics aren't a "bastardization" of anything. It is to center the most marginalized in context to bring change to material conditions.

Man this is really disgusting to continously read.

The disrespect to a Black radical framework with that avatar is a f***ing joke. Men on the so called left always showing their ass on s***.

All criticisms of Kamala are going to be labeled misogynoir. I'm already dreading the rest of the year.

Speaking of postcolonial tho,

Feminism without Borders: Decolonizing Theory, Practicing Solidarity goodreads.com/book/show/151266.Feminism_without_Borders

no boris won cause ppl voted third party...

@possum Dworkin's writing style

I read the first chapter of Right Wing Woman. I actually agree with pretty much the whole thing. I didn't really think of women in the class sense as obedient generally speaking but her elaboration eased me into it.

on a somewhat different note

the term "white working class" still implies lasting evidence of segregation to me and is gross.

thats all

why is it always cis white dudes talking about how "identity politics" detract from class discourse? do they not have enough brain elasticity to think about the intersections of class, race and gender at the same time or something? jfc

They still have ego checking to do tbh. It's like they can't center multiple things at once because to them everything besides class can be addressed at a later date... Which is easy for them to say.

Interested in reading some modern philosophy by poc and women does anyone have some recommendations? Seems like a good thread to ask in I think I saw some book recs a few pages back imma go look for those rn.

Kate Manne - Down Girl is a pretty interesting take on misogyny.

Thanks gonna dl that today!

any other women, espexially wlw and lesbians, itc feel this way? i sometimes feel shame about liking ethically sourced pictures of beautiful women or even thinking about s***in certain ways because they seem p***ographic or cumbrakned which i’m supposed to be ideologically critical of?

sorry if this is tmi lmao

I'm not Queer but I think unlearning conditioning is hard.

A patriarchal society imprints deeply, it's really hard to completely abolish it. I think it means more that you recognize it's something there though.

I hope to see a rise of woman's gaze consciousness over the next few years.

First off, I’m trans. Second off, I’m not white. Third off, you have to stop imposing your anglocentric views as if they are scripture. You cannot and will not teach me about colonialism and imperialism because my whole communities lived and are still living through them because of your country

Anyway, Crenshaw’s conceptualisation of intersectionality is building off identity politics not as a foundation, something to overcome. She doesn’t believe that identities ground political action, because they obscure progress. The LGBTQ+ movement, which was once a radical confrontation with heteronormativity, is now something purely exploitative, something that advances the impérial hegemonies in power. Nobody denies that black trans women were once at the core of the movement, but the question is: where are they now? Marginalised by the same community that they helped lie the foundation for in the first place. And this is the failure of identity politics: forging alliance based on your identity will always be conditioned to the dynamics of exclusion and inclusion in society. My critique of identity politics is no way racialised.

I’m also against organisations or policies such Gays for Trump, Trans soldiers who advance the interests of the empire or néolibéral feminists... etc. My point here is that identity politics works in two ways: when it’s used against us like the migration crisis (they are Arabs therefore they’re a danger to our society) and when we use it ourselves we are black and brown and this is our programme. The idea is to move beyond identity politics while affirming our identities without having to reduce our whole socioeconomic realities to these markers. How limiting is it to be labeled an Arab artist when you are an artist? How oppressive is it to be labelled a black writer when you are a writer? But when we think of all white people we réfère to them as philosophers, writers, artists... etc. And this is my point